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Author Topic:   Rape victim denied emergency contraception based on religious beliefs of the doctor.
Fosdick 
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Message 14 of 48 (437079)
11-28-2007 7:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by StrawberryPatchBug
11-27-2007 9:49 AM


Out of the closet
SPB writes:
doctors refusing emergency contraception to women who have been raped because the practice does not fit with their religious doctrin.
I regard this as functionally equivalent to gays demanding their same-sex marriage rights. Religio-medicine is as queer to American modernity as homo-matrimony.
”HM

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Message 16 of 48 (437103)
11-28-2007 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by crashfrog
11-28-2007 7:23 PM


Re: Out of the closet
The functional equivalency is the "coming out of the closet" part, trying to make their personal persuasions overrule established social contracts. In one case it's an evangelistic religion, in another a self-righteous sexual persuasion.
”HM

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Message 18 of 48 (437107)
11-28-2007 9:16 PM
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11-28-2007 9:11 PM


Re: Out of the closet
Taz writes:
I'm curious. What is your view on interracial marriage?
Do you mean heterosexual marriages? I certainly do approve of interracial heterosexual marriages. What's the issue?
”Hm

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Message 26 of 48 (437222)
11-29-2007 10:44 AM
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11-28-2007 11:29 PM


Re: Out of the closet
Taz writes:
Marriage used to be between a man and a woman of the same race.
According to what social contract? Define "used to." Are you forgetting about John Rolfe and Pocahontas?
But that's not the point relevant to the OP. The point is that some Christian doctors are using the medical establishment to run their religious beliefs up the flag pole. And the gays are using the marriage institution to do the same thing with their homosexuality.
”HM

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Message 27 of 48 (437224)
11-29-2007 10:52 AM
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11-28-2007 10:13 PM


Re: Out of the closet
cf writes:
Isn't that the problem? That two people are being unfairly denied the right to establish that social contract?
So are you saying that Christian doctors should have the right to refuse services to a rape victim on religious grounds? They are claiming their rights to defy a social contract, too.
”HM

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Message 31 of 48 (437246)
11-29-2007 11:52 AM
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11-29-2007 11:13 AM


Re: Out of the closet
Taz writes:
Used to as in during Jim Crow.
Again, those niggers used the marriage institution to run their agenda by marrying white gals.
Not during Jim Crow. Any uppity nigger who even winked a white gal back then never lived long enough to marry her.
”HM
Edited by Hoot Mon, : No reason given.

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Message 33 of 48 (437264)
11-29-2007 1:07 PM
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11-29-2007 1:04 PM


Re: Out of the closet
I'll give you a D- for that one, Taz.
”HM

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Message 35 of 48 (437288)
11-29-2007 2:17 PM
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11-29-2007 1:24 PM


Re: Out of the closet
OK, it's an F.

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Message 38 of 48 (437351)
11-29-2007 7:08 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by crashfrog
11-29-2007 4:26 PM


UNISEX PEE WATCHERS UNITE!
You are making the faulty assumption that same-sex "marriage" has any socially redeeming history to judge it by. The same thing is true for certain weirdos in unisex public restrooms”those with urinational fetishes. Why shouldn't people of opposite sexes who want to watch each other pee be denied their "rights" to so do in public places? Shouldn't they be granted their perversions, too, and shouldn't all public restrooms be required to function on a unisex basis for that reason?
UNISEX PEE WATCHERS UNITE!
”HM

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Message 41 of 48 (437386)
11-29-2007 8:56 PM
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11-29-2007 7:51 PM


Re: UNISEX PEE WATCHERS UNITE!
cf writes:
Is that how it works in your head? "All kinds of pervy weirdos might want rights, too, so we better not let the queers get hitched." I don't understand the reasoning.
Well, who's going to stand up for traditional rights and values? I think you may already know that I favor civil-union rights for queers. In my idealized world, same-sex civil unions would become legal, and "marriage" would be relegated to the churches to decide who's elegible. Maybe some churches will marry people's house pets: he was a handsome and mellow lab and she was a feisty bitch of a schnauzer. That's OK. And maybe other churches will marry the house pets to their owners. That's OK, too. The government gets out of this ambiguous business of "marriage" and puts its attention on where it ought to be”civil unions.
”HM

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Message 43 of 48 (437393)
11-29-2007 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by crashfrog
11-29-2007 9:02 PM


Re: UNISEX PEE WATCHERS UNITE!
Crash, why are you so focused on "marriage' when the legality of "civil unions" for gays is the issue? Do we have some civil need to grant "marriage" to a same-sex couple if we already have granted them their civil-union rights. I don't think the word "marriage" should appear on a civil-union license. There should be no such thing as a "marriage" license in any legal terms.
”HM

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