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Topic: What Is The Positive Evidence For Atheism?
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jar
Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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say what?
Is that like asking what the positive evidence for not believing in the tooth fairy?
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jar
Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: say what?
Reread the OP. Found nothing limiting it to atheists. So... Is that like asking what the positive evidence for not believing in the tooth fairy?
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jar
Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 32 of 301 (435663)
11-22-2007 10:24 AM
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Reply to: Message 26 by Phat
11-22-2007 8:14 AM
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Re: What came first? God or Dirt?
What makes you think that matter always existed? Do you have any positive evidence that matter always existed?
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jar
Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 34 of 301 (435673)
11-22-2007 10:49 AM
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Reply to: Message 33 by Phat
11-22-2007 10:40 AM
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Re: What came first? God or Dirt?
So you are saying that believing in something that is false is better than simply saying "I don't know?" But you can offer no positive evidence for matter always existing and contend that people claim "something came from nothing?" I assume you have positive evidence that people claim something came from nothing?
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jar
Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 101 of 301 (435931)
11-23-2007 8:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 100 by ringo
11-23-2007 7:57 PM
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Topic?
What Is The Positive Evidence For Atheism? Is it even a reasonable question?
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jar
Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Evolution is the alleged positive evidence for Atheism.
Jar: since you claim to be a Christian, your position on the OP question is, in relation to evolutionary theory, predetermined. You MUST deny evolution to be positive evidence for Atheism because if you do not then you are the biggest fool on Earth OR, you are a "closet" Atheist attempting to undermine Christianity as a "believer." Since you hold no objective Biblical or Christian beliefs, you are an Atheist on sight. Stop insulting everyones intelligence. Sorry Ray but nothing in your post is related to the question I asked. Is that like asking what the positive evidence for not believing in the tooth fairy?
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jar
Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Still not answering the question.
In case you missed it Ray, the topic is "What Is The Positive Evidence For Atheism?" Is that the same as asking for Positive Evidence for not believing in the Tooth Fairy?
We know evolution is the positive evidence for Atheism worldview, rhetorically speaking, why else are all Atheists evolutionists? What nonsense, Ray. Most atheists are evolutionists because they are not ignorant.
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jar
Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Evolution is the alleged positive evidence for Atheism.
I am asking why you seem to think there needs to be positive evidence to not believe in the tooth fairy?
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jar
Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: God meme
GDR is asking why do we have such conceptions about God with more prevalence than other abstract ideas? Well there is no real evidence that is the case.
Why does the notion of God illicit such strong, negative emotions in many atheists, but warm, comfortable notions in the believer? There is no indication that there is some negative emotion. That's about like claiming people have strong negative feelings about not having a toothache.
That doesn't explain why God is a common theme among humans, whether pro or con. But simple ignorance and fear could easily explain why gods are a common theme among humans.
I think it is a completely unneeded leap to conclude that based on our cognitive abilities, that it should explain why the concept of God not only exists en masse, but prevailed through the millennia. Well, education and knowledge could well explain why the number of gods has decreased as well as the simplification of their nature. But the question remains, why is there any need for a positive evidence for atheism?
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jar
Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: God meme
No real evidence? What do we endlessly talk about more than anything else? Weather, sports, food, kids, the ignorance of Creationists, lots of things Nem. And as to abstract ideas, there are subjects like morals and behavior and straight lines and fairies and djinn. There is no indication that people have conceptions about god any more than any other abstract idea. Then I said jar writes: There is no indication that there is some negative emotion. That's about like claiming people have strong negative feelings about not having a toothache. and you replied
NJ writes: We talk about God, whether it be good or bad, all the time. All the time. As a fellow Christian, I'm sure you can appreciate that. Huh? What the hell does your response have to do with what I wrote? How can someone who does not believe in something have a negative reaction to it?
That's one explanation. Fear and ignorance could also explain why He is viewed negatively too. Only for believers. Atheists do not view God negatively, they do not view god, period. then I asked:
jar writes: But the question remains, why is there any need for a positive evidence for atheism? to which you replied NJ writes: Because without it, its just another faith-belief-- something most atheists are uncomfortable dealing with. "Faith" is like nails on a chalkboard to them. So for them to prospect that they have the same kind of faith about God, only in reverse, is not exactly a comforting thought. Nonsense. It's not a comforting thought, it is an absurd thought and another example of the mental gymnastics that Biblical Christians are so adept at. Atheists do not believe in something just like you do not believe in something. Do you have any positive evidence for the non-existence of giudgsugdzugdygsugsds? How about jgigiuygyufesy3y3tfryugl87? Or kjhjuiyi? Or jiduysyuiydsggy? Positive evidence is not required for the non-belief in tooth fairies or jkhsdkdsydshdks?
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jar
Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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still wondering
Why would you need positive evidence to not believe in kgdftfgali?
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jar
Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Atheist Hypocrites....
Do you ever plan on explaining why positive evidence is needed to not believe in gsddlstlfl?
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jar
Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Atheist Hypocrites....
So you as usual have no answer except your unsupported assertions. You claim "Evolution claims to be the positive evidence for Atheism." yet in your typical fundy manner offer NO support or evidence. Can you show where "evolution" made such a claim? That still leaves the question of "why positive evidence is needed to not believe in gsddlstlfl" is even needed? The fact that your god-sense has been removed does not excuse you from having to at least try to support your assertions.
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jar
Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Come On Crashfrog!
How could Atheists and Christians accept the same biological origins theory? Uh Ray, what does Evolution have to do with biological origins? Why can't you ever actually address the issues? How come you NEVER get something right?
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jar
Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Atheist Hypocrites....
So you as usual have no answer except your unsupported assertions.
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