Is the bible the word of God or men?

Joseph,We find the introduction to the second creation story in 2:4 and I thought man was created in the last chapter. LOL. Oh and you offer no evidence to your claim that 2:4-25 is a ZOOM-IN on the first creation story. Even if it were a ZOOM-IN on the creation story in GEN1 it would not make sense since they contradict each other. Now if the two creation stories flowed together I would agree with you.Edited by tthzr3, : No reason given.

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Joseph,I just realized you missed the mistake. The mistake is LORD God wanted to create a help meet for Adam. The issue is LORD God made animals and figured out that none of them were suitable for Adam. So LORD God THEN created female. READ THE SCRIPTURE!!!Edited by tthzr3, : No reason given.Edited by tthzr3, : No reason given.

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I just realized you missed the mistake. The mistake is LORD God wanted to create a help meet for Adam. The issue is LORD God made animals and figured out that none of them were suitable for Adam. So LORD God THEN created female. READ THE SCRIPTURE!!!

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This is correct. Eve appears after it is evident Adam is different from all other animals, being speech endowed. ToE failed to factor this difference, accounting human as one of the animal species.In a science thread, we should stick to scientific or historical or mathematic factors, not semantics of what is a rich and complicated texts, requiring many years of deliberation and understanding.

Both chaters are a continuation, with words and terms from each other. The first describes the emergence of humans from a creational aspect; the second is a human in his role as a man in the real world. You will find animals listed generically in ch. 1, then thereafter we find animal rights laws, and how they must be treated. There is perfect protocol here.

Joseph, So, YHWH Elohim made a mistake? You fail to understand the TOE. The TOE is based on actual evidence not mythical creation via imagination. This is a "The Bible: Accuracy and Inerrancy" thread which takes many years of deliberation and understanding to realize.I am wondering when you're actually going to realize that you have not supplied any evidence for anything you have said. Oh, and those contradictions I mentioned earlier still stand. The two creation stories do not flow together.

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So, YHWH Elohim made a mistake?

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No mistake here. Ch 1 says Adam [a generic human here] was dual-gendered. Ch 2 makes it clear his mate is not an animal; when this is evidenced, then only is Eve seperated. You missed the point here: that there is no alternative to the dual-gendered origin of life forms.There is evidence and proof throughout Genesis, and this is for us to determine, via science. Maybe you would like to explain how a FINITE universe emerged, in any form varied from Genesis:You cannot use any products or elements within the universe - because these too were finite and post universe - obviously. Nor can you retreat to parallel or multi universes, as this would contradict the finite factor.Its thus you who does not understand what Genesis is saying, and why I support it. if you follow ToE backwards, you end up in a brick wall. The universe is finite: the opening preamble in genesis. Anything postulated thereafter has to allign with that factor.Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.

Joseph, You could come to the same conclusion by reading Genesis 1. You need to learn how to read. This is a very simple issue. The two stories do NOT flow together. Feel free to PNT however this issue is OFF THE THREAD TOPIC. You seem to want to support Genesis but that is not based on evidence because I have referenced evidence that refutes your claim.You obviously don't understand the TOE because the TOE stops here on planet earth. Who cares if the universe is finite because it is off topic. We're discussing philosophical issues with the Bible that you fail to accept.Edited by tthzr3, : errEdited by tthzr3, : errEdited by tthzr3, : err

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You obviously don't understand the TOE because the TOE stops here on planet earth. Who cares if the universe is finite because it is off topic.

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Show us your understanding of ToE, by explaining why we have to wait millions of years to witness what is an ON-GOING PROCESS? Caution - this calls for some maths!The universe being finite has pivotal impacts: a foundation premises becomes non-negotiable here. NS & Adaptation cannot be deemed as process subject to only one planet - it would have to be pervasive - even in harsher environs. Explain why ToE works on this planet's harsh claimates, in volcanic cores and at the base of oceans where there is no light? Why does gravity process not suffer the cavuum of ToE on other planets? Adaptation means it can adapt to gasses other than oxygen, and elements other than water - if the name employed has any meaning.We find both issues never answered - both the time factor and the universal constancy factors. We find ToE supports limited to an after the fact process, yet we see terms such as CREATION VS EVOLUTION: how can an after the fact process compete with an origins premise?

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You could come to the same conclusion by reading Genesis 1. You need to learn how to read. This is a very simple issue. The two stories do NOT flow together.

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Your totally askew here:"Gen Ch. 2. 1 And "Know what the word 'AND' signifies? A continuation."the heaven and the earth were finished, and all the host of them."You want to check where Ch.1. concludes?FYI, one cannot even understand ToE or philosophy where comprehension is deficient. I can read!

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You seem to want to support Genesis but that is not based on evidence because I have referenced evidence that refutes your claim.

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This has never occured, not even via any scientist. They usually ridicule words like 'dust' as a myth, but this is an appropriate word for a text addressed to all generations. Dust can be seen today as particles and ataoms, etc. But there is no stat in Genesis which has ever been dislodged by science. In fact, science comes from Genesis.

Joseph, In other words then, we are not allowed to use anything that exists, or anything that we can imagine, to disagree with you.
Well, that sounds absolutely fair (if you live in the Bizarro world).
Please either get a grip, or borrow one from a friend.

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Joseph,What I was saying is if you read Genesis 1 you can come to the same conclusion that there are both male and female gender. You don't have to read Genesis 2 in order to determine that much. LOL. You really need to learn how to read and also try to remember what you said before. LOL.Edited by tthzr3, : No reason given.

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Joseph WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. LOL.Edited by tthzr3, : No reason given.

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In other words then, we are not allowed to use anything that exists, or anything that we can imagine, to disagree with you.
Well, that sounds absolutely fair (if you live in the Bizarro world).
Please either get a grip, or borrow one from a friend.

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Unless you do not hold that the universe is FINITE. If you do - then yes, this is the bizarre world we inhabit, and this is the enigmae placed before us in Genesis. Seen from genesis POV - creation does not seem bizarre but non-negotiable. I would appreciate any other possible scenario whatsoever - based on the finite preamble: I'm listening?

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WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. LOL.

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LOL is not a scientific response: please show anything in Genesis which is not vindicated by science or dislodged by it? I showed your other charges were incorrect. Ball is with you.Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.