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Hyroglyphx
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Message 27 of 312 (424958)
09-29-2007 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Phat
09-29-2007 9:31 AM


Re: Clarification on Jar
Jar has always had the strong opinion, (logically sound, by the way) that Biblical Creationism is unsupportable.
Perhaps it doesn't, but if this forum were about phrenology, and somebody claimed that phrenology was just stupid, then we'd have nothing left to discuss, now would we? Why lose sight of the expressed purpose of this forum? Creation vs evolution is the dominant theme. You know as well as I do that this site would lose all appeal without both parties interjecting with their opinions.
Of course one side is going to attempt present evidence why the other side is wrong, but Percy is right that there needs to be a measure of civility. Jar often pushes those boundaries. Its gotten so bad that I don't see any reason in exchanging commentary with Jar. He seems like he just wants to fight, rather than actually discuss something. I don't want any part of that, so I've opted to invent my own ignore button.
I know Jar and his style, and have no perception of meanness from him. I am usually too much of an easygoing Mod (some say wimp) to suspend anybody for emotionally charged interactions such as these.
No offense, but you are his doormat. The exchanges between you two remind of "battered wives syndrome." He treats you with total disrespect and you come rushing in to his defense. Sheesh.
Keep in mind, however, that I let Nemesis slide the other day for challenging Jar. Thus, I am being consistent by doing nothing.
Whew! By the skin o' my teeth.
In the final analysis, I don't think Jar should have been suspended for the comments he made without first having been issued a warning. Even seasoned veterans of EvC can get so wrapped up in debate that they lose sight of some sensibilities. But at the same time, this is habitual for Jar.
It doesn't really matter I suppose. Its done. And Moderator decision is final anyhow.

"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 31 of 312 (424977)
09-29-2007 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by AdminBuzsaw
09-29-2007 7:36 PM


Re: Clarification on Jar
A warning is the only action I took, period. He was warned.
Ah, thanks for the heads up. I wasn't aware of that, which certainly changes the dynamic of the whole situation. If what you say is accurate then a suspension was in order.
His response, as usual rather than compliance was insultive badmouth to me the moderator within the Faith thread when he's been around long enough to know that moderator action is to be addressed in the proper forum in a respectful manner.
True. I had an issue with the bad mouthing about a week ago and resolved not to converse with him any longer, because its constant.
How long do you think Randman, IAmJoseph, Rob, Faith etc would have gone after similar response to mod action without suspension?
Pretty much immediately.
He uses the threads to irritate and demean the Biblical creationist constituency with the same nonsense that makes you, me and others wanting to avoid him.
I can't argue with that.
On the other hand the man has been a great asset to Percy and the tech aspects of running a board.
Certainly. Jar as many positive points. He's a loyal dog. The problem is, his loyalty usually extends only to those of his ilk.

"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 73 of 312 (425367)
10-01-2007 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Brian
10-01-2007 6:03 PM


Re: EvC becomes more of a joke
Banned or suspended is ultimately the same thing, Jar is banned from posting until his suspension is up.
Is going to jail for a week versus the rest of your natural life the same thing too by your rationale? Jar isn't banned. If he was, he couldn't log in. And quite frankly, I see his name online right now.
Now, you can certainly argue the point that his suspension was unwarranted. That's fine. You're certainly welcome to that. And I suspect that in your tirade, this is what you were really trying to address.
I was referring to Faith in the past tense as I know she is indefinately suspended, but we all know this is just worthless bluster and she would be allowed to return if she so wished.
Actually, no. There was an impromptu vote in an Admin forum, that unfortunately you aren't privy to, otherwise I would show you. A few admins took a consensus to let her back. The final verdict, as of now, is that she's not allowed to come back. Jar, if I'm not mistaken, requested that she come back in another thread. But in the end, that "worthless bluster" still can't come back. (Charming attitude by the way. You're a gentleman and a scholar.)
Speaking of coming back, wasn't it you that opted to leave EvC because it just didn't stimulate you anymore?
We also all know that Faith and other creationist fundies, who really know very little about anything, are allowed to get away with far more than the free thinkers here.
Look, we're not going to go in to a debate about who gets away with more crap. As far as I'm concerned, most admins don't have some vendetta against an opposing ideology. (However, notice that I said most, not all. And no I'm not going to name names). People are suspended according to their attitudes, which so far, seems to have just as many theists suspended as non-theists.
If Faith had posted a similar post to Jar's then nothing would have been said, just as nothng has been done about a creationist admin waiting his chance to abuse his position and pounce on Jar at any opportunity.
There have been ample opportunities to technically suspend Jar. To my knowledge, he's been suspended a grand total of one time, which, btw, came from Percy-- hardly the evil creationist slime monster abusing authority as you presuppose.
But carry on, the whole e-community can see the discrimination here.
Since you come here intermittently, I'll simply pass that off as ignorance on your part.
Edited by Nemesis Juggernaut, : edit to add

"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 74 of 312 (425368)
10-01-2007 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Taz
10-01-2007 6:11 PM


Its dead in the water... lets move on
I humbly ask that you guys let this go. I can understand that a few complains here and there are great, but you guys are stretching this thing out several pages long. Ok, we all get the fact that some of you feel jar was unjustly suspended. Ok, we all get the fact that some of you don't want Faith coming back. We get all of that. Let's move on with our lives.
Amen!

"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 108 of 312 (425950)
10-04-2007 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Brian
10-02-2007 3:59 PM


Re: EvC becomes more of a joke
Are you saying it is not possible to be banned from doing something for a week, a month, a year?
No, not at EvC. You can be suspended for a specific amount of time, or you can be indefinitely suspended-- i.e., banned.
He is banned from posting.
He was suspended from posting. Just say that you misspoke, Brian, so we can all move on.
We all know that a little email from Faith to Percy would allow her back.
Percy has said that he's all for her coming back, and yet, at the same time it was he that opted to ban her in the first place.
Percy has this obsession with trying to make EvC a balanced debating site
And you view this as less than virtuous??? Damn you Percy for being fair and balanced!
This is why he has Buzz as an admin and turns a blind eye to Buzz’s abuse of his admin status.
Just so you know Brian, there are a lot of disputes behind the scenes here at EvC where Buz and Percy argue over a few issues. Generally, because neither of them act like children, they work through their issues. But they in no way see eye to eye in all cases.
Percy want to create an illusion that evc is a fair and balanced site
Whether its an illusion or a reality, Percy is honestly trying to make it fair and balanced. Holy cow man, shouldn't you be congratulating him? Or are you all for the immediate banning of those you deem as creationist loonies?
he knows himself that the creationist members here are invariably nutballs and really have no clue how to support an argument, it’s as if they have a bit of their brain missing.
Brian, this certainly doesn't apply to all creationists on the board, nor are all evolutionists immune to some half baked ideas. Again, I'm not here to name names. We have good posters and bad posters. Neither side can claim sole ownership.
in Percy’s rabid attempt to balance the sides, he now discriminates against those members who can support their arguments, who know what skills are required to investigate a subject to a level that is acceptable of an adult. The creos get away with a lot because they have to, they are incapable of competing on a level playing field because they do not possess the necessary core skills to do so.
Then if this is what you truly think, please address them to Percy via email so that he can immediately cater to your every beck and call, m'kay?
bias shown towards the fundies, But I did say I would return.
The fact that 3 creationists on average get suspended in any given week does you no justice. And the fact that different admins, who don't get approval from Percy in any way also suspend people, such as myself, it virtually destroys your assertion altogether. Secondly, you seem to be under the impression that we suspend people based on their intelligence. We do not. We suspend people based on their actions.
quote:
Look, we're not going to go in to a debate about who gets away with more crap.
So why bring it up Einstein?
I didn't, Hawking, you did. I'm addressing your complaints.
quote:
As far as I'm concerned, most admins don't have some vendetta against an opposing ideology. (However, notice that I said most, not all. And no I'm not going to name names).
You don’t have to. Stevie Wonder can see the bias here.
Since its you making all of the sweeping allegations, perhaps the bias that is so transparent, is all on your side of the table. Food for thought.
If there was even handed moderation there would probably be about 2 theists here.
Well, thanks for saying that I'm worthy of staying.
You do know that Jar is a theist don’t you, and that you are supporting my stance?
Oh, yes, I'm aware that Jar is a theist in the broadest sense. But your complaint isn't about theists, its about creationists. Jar, Percy, Jazzns, RAZD, etc-- all theists.
he has to keep his lapdog Buzz happy doesn’t he? Percy has this incessant desire to mollify the creos here, he has to or there would be no EvC.
What exactly are your contentions with Buzsaw? Forget about Percy momentarily. Explain to me what Buz has done that you think deserves flogging?
How do you know how often I come here, I could have been coming here every day as far as you are aware?
Well, if you'll look at the top of the screen, it lists all the members online right now. Your name rarely comes up.
ems that your child like approach to theology and history has seeped into your every day life as well.
Ain't that the kettle calling the pot black?
Maybe you should take time to think about what you are writing before you post.
Oh, you didn't know? Percy writes out a script for us beforehand on how to respond to any given poster.

"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 162 of 312 (432429)
11-06-2007 12:36 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by Buzsaw
11-05-2007 8:45 PM


Re: The 24/7 In Your Face One
The following is typical of the caustic in your face dogged stalking from Jar, who just passed the 15000 posting record. Wherever I go, since he got suspended (not by me) I've been harrassed, needled and goaded by Jar and it's not very pleasant... Jar takes every advantage for an opportunity to demean and harrass with insults.
I guess at least take comfort in the fact that you aren't alone. Jar is an interesting soul. I'll just leave it at that.
I'd like for you to join me in prayer over it.

“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake

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Hyroglyphx
Inactive Member


Message 205 of 312 (437683)
12-01-2007 1:01 AM
Reply to: Message 201 by ringo
11-30-2007 12:34 PM


Re: some action needed in the Logic thread
I tend to think that the best argument against Dawn Bertot is himself.
Let him continue to self-immolate and let the fundy/creo/IDist lurkers continue to mutter to themsleves, "Please get off our side."
Excellent point. I tend to think along the same lines in such instances because, while annoying, it is not any way a breach of forum rules to have bad arguments.
Social Darwinism tends to weed those people out through an unnatural [dBoard] selection process.
Edited by Nemesis Juggernaut, : No reason given.

“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 219 of 312 (437904)
12-01-2007 7:52 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by kuresu
12-01-2007 4:07 PM


Re: Nem closes Positive Evidence for Atheism thread
don't you find it fishy that the admin who makes the last comment also closes the thread and does not make the closing message in his admin account?
First off, what is "fishy" about it if I happen to be the last one making a post? 300 has been an EvC limit for a long time. Secondly, anyone, including you, can request a sequel thread.
If there was any looming question you had, its not like you couldn't just ask me or the person you wanted to answer a question.
Thirdly, I didn't respond in my Admin account. I responded in my member account.
To be clear, I find what NJ did to be a misappropriate use of his admin powers.
Why though? Explain to me what you find objectionable.

“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 225 of 312 (438011)
12-02-2007 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by kuresu
12-02-2007 3:48 AM


Re: Nem closes Positive Evidence for Atheism thread
do I have to spell it out in painfully clear terms?
You participated in the thread. You made the last post, and promptly closed it. You also, last I checked (several hours back), had no message with your admin account closing the thread.
So what? I'm still not seeing any reasonable objection here. Because I was participating on a thread means that I can't close it after we reach a 300 limit?
Seems like a totally specious argument to me since anyone could just open a sequel thread if there were any looming questions. It just sounds to me like you should stop using drugs. They're making you paranoid.
I am well aware of the 300 limit (to all). My problem is not that the thread was closed at the 300 limit. My problem is that it was closed by a participant immediately after that participant made the final post.
Look, Kuresu..... *sigh*..... I happened to be browsing through the forum list when I decided to open the link to the forum (I can't even remember which forum it was in, its that unmemorable).
Anyhow, something GDR said sparked my interest. I decided to respond. I just so happened to be the last one posting before it reached the 300 limit. I informed GDR that because we have a 300 post limit, that I was closing it. I gave him, you, or anyone the option to request a sequel thread.
If I was trying to avoid something (I assume this is where you are going with this) ANYONE could just copy it from the old thread and paste in the new forum.
Seriously...... what....... is........ the....... problem?

“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 227 of 312 (438016)
12-02-2007 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by Admin
12-02-2007 9:00 AM


Re: Nem closes Positive Evidence for Atheism thread
Admin,
I respectfully request to reopen the "Positive Evidence for Atheism" thread on the basis of appeasing my two critics, Kuresu and Crashfrog.
But only one condition: That I get to say in big, bold letters:
Here I am! I have reopened the thread. To ALL who think that I am hiding something, please confront me and force me to answer your scary questions.
Ok, so the last part was me being sarcastic, since I find their objections to be very silly. But I am serious about the request to reopen it for a time or length of your choosing.
Do I have permission to temporarily suspend your 300 limit rule?

“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake

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Hyroglyphx
Inactive Member


Message 233 of 312 (438035)
12-02-2007 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 231 by crashfrog
12-02-2007 2:54 PM


Re: Nem closes Positive Evidence for Atheism thread
When you guys have the power, and we have none, it's important for you to take these things seriously. Why is that so hard to grasp, NJ? Why is it so hard for you to treat criticism seriously? Why do you find the discussion of a potential misuse of power appropriate for playing the fool?
The real problem, I suspect, Crash, is that you have a general aversion to any authority, no matter how innocuous a ruling may in fact be.
I can only imagine that its because you only know what its like to be inside of your mind. You have proven that you are incapable of objective thinking and will stoop to any level to get the last word, or will weasel in any way to make your own case look pretty.
For someone that has been here as long as you, with over 15 billion posts, and no one has ever offered such a position to you is the surest way to know that no one trusts you. Even those of your own ilk find you objectionable. When are you going to stop alienating people?
Why is "I'm sorry and I'll do better next time" an impossible phrase for you to write?
If I thought I had something to be sorry for, I would apologize.

“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake

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