quote:The world has been torn asunder all because people still believe in literature that was written thousands of years ago.
Well, political ideologies have led to many wars and killing of innocent people. Does this mean we should completely do away with politics(democracy, communism, authoritarianism etc)?
You are under a misconception that religion is the cause of all strife in the world we see. its quite to easy to think like that with christian fundamentalism in the US and islamic fundamentalism in the Middle east. But, IMO, even if there are no different religions or sects, man will always find some reason to kill someone else.
The question is still unaswered....why do religious people take some stories literally and some not? What makes them so sure about their decision? and if these stories are open to interpretation because of individuality, then why universalize them into beliefs?
1. Why do religious people take some stories literally and some not?
First there are over 33,000 different religions in the world.
That means there are a lot of people with different ideas. Most have preconceived ideas about what they believe and therefore when they read a story they interpret it in the way that it supports what they believe. So if a literal rendering fits their belief that is what it is. If a non literal rendering fits their belief that is what it is.
2. What makes them so sure about their decision? Because it is what they want to believe. Therefore it is correct.
3. if these stories are open to interpretation because of individuality,
All stories are open to individual interpretation.
4. then why universalize them into beliefs? Because without beliefs their can be no religion.
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
Spek: The story of Babel is a very profound one to me because it conveys how wonderfully creative yet trapped the human race was/is. It shows that if we came together alot of things can be accomplished.
Ringo: You're ignoring the point of the story: that God prevented that accomplishment from happening.
quote:I want them all to stop lying to themselves and killing people in the process.
I don't lie to myself and I don't kill people. Basically, you're just exposing your bigotry. Are you racist too?
have you seen the Jesus Camp documentary?
Do you laugh at the people who are regularly brainwashed to commit suicide in the name of their religion who kill innocent people?
Now, troll, why do you ignore my honest answer to the OP, Message 46?
Also, you're just making stuff up and not substantiating things:
From message 53:
quote:The unitarian sect of Christianity believes that Jesus was a prophet but not God himself. The rest of Christianity believes that Jesus is in fact God. This dispute of ideas is a prime example of the OP.
From the OP:
quote:My contention is the biblical writings are so open to interpretation that it has caused the many sects within the primary faith itself.
So you think that the openness of the interpretations of the bible are the cause of the formation of the Unitarian sect?
quote:where do believers make the distinction between what parts of the bible to take literally and what parts not to, and why?
You also seem to think this is an issue with literal vs non-literal.
So then, what are the passages that, depending on their literal-ness, caused the formation of the Unitarian sect?
If you can't bring forth evidence of your assertion, and are, in fact, just making shit up, then, like it has been said too many times on this thread:
I kinda get a hint, just a hint mind you, that Spektical might, just might mind you, have a problem, just a small problem mind you, with the concept, just a limited concept mind you, of his personal vision, just a blurry vision mind you, of some religions, just some specific religions mind you, or maybe the behaviors, just a few of the behaviors mind you, of those religions.
He seems to think that what was portrayed in the documentary "Jesus Camp" is wrong.
I happen to agree.
He seems to think suicide bombers are wrong.
Well, maybe. But that might make an interesting thread if he could start one.
He seems to think worrying about salvation is not a good thing.
I tend to think it is a total waste of time and effort, but can see no reason someone else might not want to spend their life worrying about the next life. I certainly don't see anyway that someone worrying about their salvation can create much of a problem, even for Spektical.
So what exactly is his point?
Let me propose a hypothetical.
Suppose tomorrow morning, when the sun rose over Palestine, just the geographic area, not some city-state, everyone awoke to find they had become Atheists.
Just what would have changed?
Would the people living in the communes and settlements suddenly be willing to pack up and leave the homes they had built?
Would the Knesset suddenly be willing to turn control and authority over to the Palestinian Authority?
Folk, issues like the middle east or Palestine are NOT religious. It is a matter of power and who holds it, of money and who has it, of resources and who gets to exploit them.
Of course there are examples of misuse of religion, but that is true of most anything, nationalism, baseball, food, politics, motherhood.
I consider myself a religious person.
But the things that Spektical mentioned were also pretty much things where I would agree with him. The issue of suicide bombers is one that would need some discussion since I can easily see situations where the act would be justified, but in all, not too many areas of disagreement.