Medicine in the Old Testament

prove it. cite sources. i will not believe your unfounded claims. advanced. haha. so advanced, the only treatment they had was to ban you. so advanced, they thought that disease was brought on by bad behavior. if the bible was so advanced, why didn't it have instructions for making these things? maybe because it was limited by the knowledge men had at the time?also, it seems to be human nature to segregate yourself from things that are different or dirty or scary. i doubt this is anything more than that same behavior. yes, by commanding that they be murdered.

No it doesn't. "Unclean" also refers to species of animals that shouldn't be eaten. Whole species couldn't be "infected". Clearly superstition, not medicine. That has more to do with the "other gods" angle than with medicine. Thou shalt follow the superstitions about our God, not theirs.

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Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.

Killing pigeons over bowls of water for leprosy isn't a bit occult? Pretty damn odd to me....

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"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

Yes, it is.And the seperation from this practice, which was ingrained within humanity since primal times, had to be performed via gradual inculcation ['He understand the nature of man' applies]. The same occured with the laws given in the desert, which took 40 years to become embedded.The same occured with sacrifice - most people see temple sacrifice as a promotion of it, while it was the reverse: first, human sacrifice was forbidden for the first time; all animal sacrifice was made exclusive to one central temple - this abolished 95% of individual home sacrifices, it could only be performed on speicific dates and reasons [only for accidental crimes], all sacrifice other than the temple was forbidden - this meant when the temple fell, no sacrifice was possible. The laws of nature and what impacts on man is not disregarded - the same source made nature.

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No it doesn't. "Unclean" also refers to species of animals that shouldn't be eaten. Whole species couldn't be "infected". Clearly superstition, not medicine.

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Yes it does, because its application is contextual. A corpse, an animal forbidden for consumption, a crime, an incurable desease, food left open overnight - all can be described as unclean. It is unclean for the human, not itself per se, and is an advocation against personal damage to oneself or the community.

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The OT cast a damaging impact on sorcery and spell casters.

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That has more to do with the "other gods" angle than with medicine. Thou shalt follow the superstitions about our God, not theirs.

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It is an advocation against a wrong path. People following other Dieties are not vilified ['Do not vex a stranger; love the stranger; equal rights for the stranger' applies]. The practice of sorcery was forbidden because it was a wrong path - for belief and for belief in its cures: socery was not itself an evil, just a wrong path - its time was coming to an end, and replaced with science. Once, sorcery was legitimate and real [not understood by most people today]. Just as we cannot survive w/o science today - the ancient people could not survive w/o sorcery. The latter worked at one time!

But an animal forbidden for consumption is not per se a danger to oneself or the community. Millions of people have eaten pork for millennia. That prohibition is clearly superstition, not medicine. Exactly. Sorcery was forbidden for superstitious reasons, not scientific.

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Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.

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That it is the first recording of such, is a secondary factor, and not a negation of its merits. It does happen to be the first such treatise.
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prove it. cite sources. i will not believe your unfounded claims.

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This form of writings [book form, with multi-page continueing narratives in the alphabetical] itself are unfounded elsewhere, as well as what it is saying. If you read other writings, they are less advanced in their mode [non-alphabetical and sorcery related]. I know of no writings with similar descriptions. I find that after the Greeks translated the OT in 300 BCE, medicine became developed, including surgery, hospitals, skeletal and organ drawings, etc. Occultism was gradually becoming obsolete.

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advanced. haha. so advanced, the only treatment they had was to ban you. so advanced, they thought that disease was brought on by bad behavior.

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You cannot disregard that items such as thermometers, microscopes, etc were not yet at hand, and the way to describe these medical terms were not yet invented. Terms such as unclean, had to be used to conform with mankind's understanding in that spacetime; it means 'infected' in today's terms, and clearly the first inclinings of medicine.

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if the bible was so advanced, why didn't it have instructions for making these things? maybe because it was limited by the knowledge men had at the time?

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Nothing comes before its time. Before thermometres, you needed the concept and principles which lead to it. It is not 'banning' to be segregated when a contagious desease occurs - the mandating of refuge cities was an advanced premise [no hospitals were yet in place], and catered to such sickness with anticipation and design. It is superior to how others treated lepors: they were killed off as infected by demons - right upto medevial Europe. Here, in a refuge, the preist [doctor] had to visit the sick and examine if contagious or not, as opposed forsaking the sick. Medicine and hospitals came from this point.

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also, it seems to be human nature to segregate yourself from things that are different or dirty or scary. i doubt this is anything more than that same behavior.

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Yes, but that appears why mandated laws were given, making one think further, replacing fear with knowledge. Thus there were paradigm altering.

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The OT cast a damaging impact on sorcery and spell casters.

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yes, by commanding that they be murdered.

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This, surprisingly, was least evident with the OT adherants - because sorcery was forbidden, and the laws replaced what sorcery promised, far more effectively. The millions of innocents murdered reached its peak in medevial Europe, where women were beheaded and burnt; medicine reached Europe late - namely after 70 CE onwards, when Jews were dispersed there by Rome.

I am sure you just had a brain-fart here and misspoke, right? Please say yes. Otherwise one could think that you believe that Medieval Europe was pre-Diaspora? Or that the next ~1-2/3 millenia were one of science replacing occult in European history? And that witches, heretics, etc were burned for occult reasons that had nothing to do with the literal interpretations of the OT? Although I guess the alternative is that you mean it reached Europe late but after a mere 1600 years we got to see the benefit of OT medicine...(?!)

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"I have seen so far because I have stood on the bloated corpses of my competitors" - Dr Burgess Bowder

The heresy charge was introduced by Rome, specifically Caligula, as was the divine human factor. You have disregarded that before entering the continent of Europe by the Roman exile, the Jews put up the greatest defense of faith in all recorded history - sacrificing over 1.1 M of their people, their country and their cherished jerusalem temple. That this is omitted in the NT is a great anomoly, and the reason for false premises inculcated in Europe.Previously, Israel and Hellenism also had a great battle, for the same reason. That this was a recipe for assured disaster, is exactly what occured after the entry of Jews in Europe. How many Europeans fuss over this factor, while preaching the sacrifice of one jew:'WHEN FREEDOM OF BELIEF - BECAME MIGHTY ROME'S GREATEST WAR'

Okay, I concede. I will step back slowly and discretely call the nurses.I have absolutely no idea what your post means in relation to my post or the OP. You distinctly claimed that the witch burnings (and presumably the heresy executions, Inquisition, etc) were occult activities prior to the "science" of the OT being brought to Europe. You set that date as 70 CE. I do not care (in context of this topic) what happened to the Jewish people prior to 70 CE. You are trying to establish that OT science bettered our culture. To that end you stated that it started after the diaspora. You claim prior to that millions of people were executed and/or beheaded during Europe's Medieval phase. Do you not see the flaw? The itty-bitty THOUSAND year difference in your time frame?So let's list some fun medieval events: Witch burnings. Witch hangings. Heretic (scientist) burnings. Iron Maidens, Racks, The freaking Inquistion, lest Protestants be too bold, Luthor's (for the Ignorant, Martin Luthor, founder of Protestant Revolution, if you do not know who he was or what he stood for you are probably part of one of his churches anyhow) Proclamation of the destruction of all Jews. Salem witch trials. Sorry, list is getting too long. Left out a huge amount but the picture is clear.

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"I have seen so far because I have stood on the bloated corpses of my competitors" - Dr Burgess Bowder

Actually, you don't need a nurse: I do agree with most all of your points in this post:

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I have absolutely no idea what your post means in relation to my post or the OP. You distinctly claimed that the witch burnings (and presumably the heresy executions, Inquisition, etc) were occult activities prior to the "science" of the OT being brought to Europe.

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No sir. What I said was the heresy murders was not an OT premise. The blasphemy law is not applicable here; the history of Rome is applicable, and alligns with the church in medevial Europe.

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You claim prior to that millions of people were executed and/or beheaded during Europe's Medieval phase. Do you not see the flaw? The itty-bitty THOUSAND year difference in your time frame?

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I did not refer to 1000s of years, only to Rome and the Church in Europe. What is impacting here, is that Rome introduced crififixtion and the heresy charge applying for anyone from a different belief system; Europe emulated this premise.

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So let's list some fun medieval events: Witch burnings. Witch hangings. Heretic (scientist) burnings. Iron Maidens, Racks, The freaking Inquistion, lest Protestants be too bold, Luthor's (for the Ignorant, Martin Luthor, founder of Protestant Revolution, if you do not know who he was or what he stood for you are probably part of one of his churches anyhow) Proclamation of the destruction of all Jews. Salem witch trials. Sorry, list is getting too long. Left out a huge amount but the picture is clear.

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No contradiction or contest here. I do know about Luthor and his writings - IMHO - Mein Kampf emenated from here.

I am sure you didn't conveniently skip Leviticus 14:1-30something where the law of the leper is laid out. How exactly do two birds, a bowl and a chunk of cedar cure lepers? And then why do you need a couple lambs for sacrifices and smearing blood and oil on the leper's right ear, thumb, and big toe?Its a cleansing ritual, nothing medical about it.

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That there is advanced medicinal knowledge, and traditions and mindsets of its spacetime, is accurate and authentic. It should not confuse the textual specific details of leprosy. The instructions had to be delivered in the subject's level - and thus inculcated in a ritual form - else they would not be understood. If the same instructions were given today - it would include this generation's traditions and mindsets, with state of art terminology. The only essential is that the instructions for deseases is correct.This applies: 'He speaketh in the language of the peoples'

Break it down for me. I'm slow. Exactly what part about the one dead bird, one live bird leper splattering blood bath is essential in the treatment of leprosy in anybody's "spacetime"? I don't really know what you mean here. Well, the instructions are pretty easy to follow. They have been translated into terminology we can understand, and the procedures are surely within our realm of comprehension and technical abilities. Easily obtained components. I think we could perform this spell, I mean medicine today. And in your opinion, these are sound instructions? That if we followed these specific instructions today we would sucessfully cure a leper?~clpMINI

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I mean, this is America. Everybody loves seeing lesbians go at it, as long as they are both hot and not in a monogamous, legally sanctioned relationship.

Sacrifice was at this time ingrained within humanity. It was the language they understood. If one is cured of a sickness, or has a sickness, or to safeguard against one - sacrifices were performed as its accompanying ceremony. This was even conducted by God with Abraham, to ratify a covenant. It relates to all aspects of ancient traditions, and has no bearing on the nature of the instruction.