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GDR
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Message 41 of 69 (439799)
12-10-2007 1:56 PM


I view this series as a positive thing. As Atheism becomes more and more evangelical it will cause people to actually think about which faith it is that makes the most sense to them.
IMHO a great many people go through life without thinking very much about what it is that they believe. This is slowly changing in our post-modernistic age and these books will help accelerate that.

Everybody is entitled to my opinion.

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Message 46 of 69 (440054)
12-11-2007 10:54 AM
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12-11-2007 7:07 AM


nator writes:
Or, if having any faith makes sense at all.
We all have faith whether it's in God or ourselves. As Bob Dylan said' "you've got to serve somebody".
Atheism is every bit as much a faith Christianity. You have faith that no God exists, which is something that you can't prove, and I have faith that God does exist which is something I can't prove.

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Message 49 of 69 (440113)
12-11-2007 3:40 PM
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12-11-2007 1:49 PM


Shtop writes:
I don't have faith that god does not exist, I simply lack the faith that he does.
But you still have to base your life on some basic faith system. As an Atheist you are putting your faith in the concept that humanity is on its own and that there is no purpose or meaning to life beyond what we can discern from the physical world. As a Christian I have faith that there is more to our existence than that, and I have faith that Christianity answers the question of what that is.
These books were written with the acknowledged purpose of providing an Atheistic alternate to the Narnia series. Narnia was written to promote Christianity whereas, "His Dark Materials" is being used to promote Atheism. There is no need to promote or evamngelize a non-faith.
We all park our faith somewhere no matter what we beleive.

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Message 51 of 69 (440139)
12-11-2007 4:52 PM
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12-11-2007 3:58 PM


kurseu writes:
Tell me, just what in HSD promotes atheism? What in there is a guide to atheism?
"I'm trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief," says Pullman. "Mr. Lewis would think I was doing the Devil's work."
Quote from the washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A23371-2001Feb18

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Message 53 of 69 (440153)
12-11-2007 5:44 PM
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12-11-2007 5:20 PM


It is agreed that Pullman is an exceptional author and he has stated that his intent is to discredit Christianity.
wiki writes:
Pullman is a supporter of the British Humanist Association and an Honorary Associate of the National Secular Society.
He openly objects to any Theistic belief. It seems to me that when a gifted author claims that he has a goal in writing a book that we can assume that he is likely to be successful.
I have only read about the books so I'm not going to attempt to be specific about what in them promotes Atheism, but when the book is aimed at discrediting Christianity specifically and Theism more generally then I think that we can safely assume that he is writing to give credence to his own faith which is Atheism.

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Message 60 of 69 (440187)
12-11-2007 7:24 PM
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12-11-2007 6:29 PM


kuresu writes:
uh-huh. You haven't read the books. So then you can't really say what in HDM promotes atheism, can you? Then why did you say it did?
Because I took the author at his word. You're probably right though - you can never trust an Atheist.
AbE Sorry. I posted this before seeing the post from admin
Edited by GDR, : No reason given.

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