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Author Topic:   General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures 13.0
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Message 1 of 312 (424463)
09-27-2007 4:20 AM


Yet another continuation of the theme.
This topic is intended for clear and concise discussions of admin actions, needed admin actions, or the such. Extended debate on other specific themes should have topics of their own.
Please see the mess that ended the previous version of this topic series.
Admins who have links to the "General Discussion..." topic in their signatures need to change the link.
The previous versions, from first to last:
Change in Moderation?
General discussion of moderation procedures
General discussion of moderation procedures: The Sequel
General discussion of moderation procedures: The Consecution
General discussion of moderation procedures: The Consequtive Consecution
General discussion of moderation procedures: The Consequtive Consecution Sequel
General discussion of moderation procedures - Part 7
General discussion of moderation procedures - Part
General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures 9.0
General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures 10.0
General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures 11.0
General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures 12.0
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Message 82 of 312 (425595)
10-02-2007 11:01 PM


The quote in my signature
Token text to make thing work - See below.

New Members should start HERE to get an understanding of what makes great posts.
Comments on moderation procedures (or wish to respond to admin messages)? - Go to:
General discussion of moderation procedures
Thread Reopen Requests
Considerations of topic promotions from the "Proposed New Topics" forum
Other useful links:
Forum Guidelines, [thread=-19,-112], [thread=-17,-45], [thread=-19,-337], [thread=-14,-1073]
Admin writes:
It really helps moderators figure out if a topic is disintegrating because of general misbehavior versus someone in particular if the originally non-misbehaving members kept it that way. When everyone is prickly and argumentative and off-topic and personal then it's just too difficult to tell. We have neither infinite time to untie the Gordian knot, nor the wisdom of Solomon.
There used to be a comedian who presented his ideas for a better world, and one of them was to arm everyone on the highway with little rubber dart guns. Every time you see a driver doing something stupid, you fire a little dart at his car. When a state trooper sees someone driving down the highway with a bunch of darts all over his car he pulls him over for being an idiot.
Please make it easy to tell you apart from the idiots. Source

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Message 142 of 312 (429253)
10-18-2007 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by nator
10-18-2007 10:46 PM


Re: WTF, moose?
...did you perhaps fail to notice that I suggested that ILG start a new thread, and again later suggest he join an existing thread?
And I thank you.
I still think that it be best that there be no responses to your message as it is largely a continuation of off-topic theme(s).
In general, when an admin posts a moderator message it may well be a rush job based on a quick observation and a limited consideration. Such may or may not prove out to be wrong. But to have any possible useful effect (affect?) something needs to be done ASAP. The alternative is a short term topic closure where all parties can leisurely consider what has happened, prior to the topic moving on.
And yes, moderation efforts are highly erratic, highly "hit and miss". The choice is, try to put a dent in problems here and there, or give up on doing moderation all together?
Or something like that.
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Message 265 of 312 (440428)
12-13-2007 4:23 AM
Reply to: Message 264 by RAZD
12-12-2007 2:30 PM


Re: Moosed
The following is the entire part of the message that I red highlighted and commented on:
The foremost and most recent one is the helium leak rate.
Oh, you are a fun one aren't you? Here's an intellectual excercise:
Let's assume for the sake of argument that there are two theories of evolution -- yours and mine. We'll call yours Newflyerolution and we'll call mine RAZDolution.
We'll assume for the sake of argument that your "helium leak rate" is a valid observation, and it totally disproves Newflyerolution (or at least so you claim). The problem is that it does not disprove RAZDolution, because RAZDolution doesn't depend on the "helium" problem to study biology (I leave that to the physicists, chemists and others that deal with this issue). What is RAZDolution? The theory that evolution - the change in hereditary traits in populations from generation to generation - explains what we see in life that exists today. Life can be a little as 100 years old and RAZDolution is still valid. Now we can compare RAZDolution with standard evolution as taught in universities and as studied by scientists and find that it is a good match.
What this demonstrates is that your understanding of evolution is invalid, not that evolution is invalid.
What I find hilarious is that in Message 19 you replied that "no one is 'bobble headed' ... " and then you go on and post a series of PRATTs from creationist websites that you accept without question as being true ... when they turn out to be known falsehoods from creationist sites, well know as being PRATTs (see example #2 on the list of 4 they give).
For instance search this site for "helium":
Index to Creationist Claims
and find the following listed:
quote:
CE: Astronomy and Cosmology
  • CE000: Earth
    ....• CE001. There is not enough helium in the atmosphere for an old earth.
  • And then from the link to Claim CE001:
    quote:
    Claim CE001:
    The radioactive decay of several elements produces helium, which migrates to the atmosphere. There is too little helium in the atmosphere to account for the amount that would have been produced in 4.5 billion years. Escape of helium into space is not sufficient to account for the lack.
    You can read the article to see why this is not a problem. Notice that they do not talk about evolution or biology.
    {Inserted by edit by Adminnemooseus - The above highlighted in red is off-topic. It not only does not belong in this topic, it does not belong in this forum (Biological Evolution). Someone take it to a proper place, if that line of discussion is to continue.}
    I wanted to do something without blowing a lot of time on the effort. Essentially I was trying to head off "Helium diffusion" from becoming a further part of the topic. In all, a heavily blotched effort on my part. My apologies.
    Adminnemooseus

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