fulfilled prophecy - specific examples.

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I think this is only attributable to a Jesus of your own making.

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The Olivet discourse is in all three synoptic Gospels. According to the quote YOU provided from John the people who heard Jesus thought that he was referring to the Jerusalem Temple.The fact that you're having to deny all four Gospels speaks for itself.

If that were the case then Luke would mention the other disciple as having been present at the hearing. He does not. Nor does Mark. Moreover Luke does not report the accusations that are mentioned in Mark. Nor does John - who you claim was there !So you say that John was there, therefore we should disregard his account and believe Mark's instead !You see how hard you have to work to find reasons to believe this "prophecy" ? What contortions of reason you hae to indulge ? What surer sign can there be that your beliefs are not rationally supportable ?

No, a paraphrase is NOT a quote. No, you are NOT texting exactly.It was not a WWII Pope. And even in what you allege you quote from the book in Message 104 is NOT what is actually there but rather portions of what is actually said with your own editorial comments inserted. Finally it is not even a direct quote from Herzl's diary but rather a report by yet another person.But even beyond that, it involves a Pope in 1903 who clearly say that the RCC could never stop a Jewish return but would not sanction it. All your crap about genocide is simply your own personal ranting and was NOT in the section you misquoted.

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Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

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No, a paraphrase is NOT a quote. No, you are NOT texting exactly.

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Did you find a variance in the quote from my statement: please nominate which alphabet/word? Obviously, you do not want to accept the blatant.

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It was not a WWII Pope. And even in what you allege you quote from the book in Re: A GUIDE FOR THE PERPLEXED. (Message 104) is NOT what is actually there but rather portions of what is actually said with your own editorial comments inserted. Finally it is not even a direct quote from Herzl's diary but rather a report by yet another person.

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Yes, I originally called it WW11 Pope, but there is no editorial - these are in 'brackets' and claimed as explanatory input, because the relevent extract requires this explanation. The quote is listed exactly as per the link: please nominate any variance? Anyone can check the link.

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But even beyond that, it involves a Pope in 1903 who clearly say that the RCC could never stop a Jewish return but would not sanction it. All your crap about genocide is simply your own personal ranting and was NOT in the section you misquoted.

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Not stop Jews from returning, does not negate 'never support', which is what I stated. The import is the same, Israel was returned despite the Pope's endeavours to overturn it. The date of 1903 is followed by the consecutive Popes in the same agenda. This is hardly a case of semantics - what the quote says is what the Pope did. The fundamental things apply. That it was framed as a quote, is not my own, but it is nonetheless presented faithfully and correctly, with no distortion or exaggeration whatsoever, and I stand by it fully.

Please note: You do not under any circumstance any where use quotes when you are paraphrasing a source. It is totally unacceptable. You have, I hope, learned a lesson. It is important to your credibility.

Re my credibility. R u speaking as a forum participant - because I can respond very adequately about credibility?

You simply did not provide at anytime quotes. Paraphrasing is not quoting and adding editorial comment is also not acceptable in a quote. In addition your misidentifying the source and also misrepresenting what later Popes did has been noted.Sorry but your credibility is somewhat less than zilch.

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Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

My creds do not rely on ignorence of others. I do not think the deflection to 'quotes' can excuse all your other errors here. FYI, I never even used the term quotes. Shall I emulate you and demand where I said 'quote': I think not, my credibility would not allow me to.Hopefully, you can see why the EU does what it does at the UN regards Israel, and that there is a critical shortage of a 'good european majority' to correct such nototorious Popes beatifying themselves for mass murder. They have fed poison and addicted millions with false, racist and destructive mindsets, which culminated in th Holocaust: arguably the Vatican and its Popes had a giant hand in its fostering, and the citizens who did not take these Popes to task have been stained for ever with the VE VERE NOT AVARE syndrome. A historical extract has to make some relevenace and lesson for later generations - else it has no meaning.

Good, because I would have to supply examples such as from Message 104 and others. I'm sorry but that is just another totally false assertion. Please provide the exact data on the "Popes beatifying themselves for mass murder".Second. please provide the evidence of exactly what the EU does at the UN and what the hell that has to do with Popes.Do you ever plan on addresssing the topic which is "fulfilled prophecy - specific examples"?

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Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

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Good, because I would have to supply examples such as

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IaJ writes:
The exact quote which I gave was 'WE WILL NEVER SUPPORT THE RETURN OF THE JEWS TO THEIR HOMELAND BECAUSE THEY REJECTED JESUS'.

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from Re: A GUIDE FOR THE PERPLEXED. (Message 104) and others.

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Hopefully, you can see why the EU does what it does at the UN regards Israel, and that there is a critical shortage of a 'good european majority' to correct such nototorious Popes beatifying themselves for mass murder.

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below is my original post on this item, you can see I made a description, and did not use the prefix 'quote'; this is your addition, nor does it mean what I stated was not fully represented in the link provided as the Pope's meaning. After all, when one learns about history, they are not taken to task for the exact words, except its truthful meaning; there is no misrepresentation of dishonesty. The only variance is I mentioned '11' after WW, which is not your point here:

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#29: "The Arabs even sent their Mayor Haj Amin, begging Hitler not to let any Jews escape alive; while this was said by Europe's Pope:

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'WE WILL NEVER SUPPORT THE RETURN OF THE JEWS TO *THEIR HOMELAND* BECAUSE THEY REJECTED JESUS' - W.W.11 POPE."

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I'm sorry but that is just another totally false assertion. Please provide the exact data on the "Popes beatifying themselves for mass murder".

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The Pope in the link provided - this is one generation from the holocaust. How about Isabella. Have you studied the Vatican history the last 2000 years - Hello?

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Second. please provide the evidence of exactly what the EU does at the UN and what the hell that has to do with Popes.

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EU is European and christian; the Pope is the foremost figurehead of Europe. The Pope has agreements with Arafat, accompanied by a history of being a false historical witness and biased against Jews and Israel. The previous late Pope made canonical changes and apologia in this regard - all in regard to both the Vatican and European government history, and he marks a varied stance in the vatican and its Popes. Your enquirey is not credible.

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Do you ever plan on addresssing the topic which is "fulfilled prophecy - specific examples"?

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I believe I gave four such examples, all vindicated, the last one being that Jerusalem shall be a burden unto the nations. I also stated these were OPEN, not shrowded fulfillments. Your disacknowledgement of the foremost, and resorting to deflective items, is not what a debate is about; this makes only for a cyclical forum and nothing becomes ever agreed upon. No one can debate you this way.

IaJ, quit dancing and provide the data.Do you even know what Beatification is?Are you really so ignorant that you think someone can Beatify themselves?Since you have been shown to have no credibility on ANYTHING you say, is there any reason anyone should believe anything you say about Christianity?

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Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

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Do you even know what Beatification is?

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I know for sure that Isabela was no Saint. Yet America was discovered as a response to the mass murder and deportation of 1000s of Jews and others who were not of the same belief, while simultainiously barring the jews return to their land: this is mass murder. I do see America being sanctioned as a response, and that Columbus and his ship mapsters on board, all Jewish and who already numerously made their intended journey to India before, aught not to have got lost: but did they?!

A new forum can be created just for him. Then we can have him banned in all otherforums where actual debate should be taking place.IN HIS FORUM he can start his own threads and say whatever the heck he wants.He can respond to any post he wants but he needs to be isolated like Ebola.Maybe then every last topic wont be disrupted by his post-bombing.It can be called the "Zero Evidence Forum" or "Bald Assertions of *NO* Value Forum".Anyway, I feel this is another once-promising topic turned into a freak show.(there was 24 hours of hope but that silver lining of sanity was short lived)Keep up the good work Mod's!If one person can ruin every last discussion for thousands of others , then why are there Mod's exactly?Edited by Nimrod, : No reason given.

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It can be called the "Zero Evidence Forum" or "Bald Assertions of *NO* Value Forum".

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Eg?You have not proven anything thus far: dumping views of negating Israel's history by letters of anti-Israel peoples os not evidence; I posted time lines and links, but you have made such assertions here which negates all Israel and Jewish history.Please prove pre-70 CE Palestine, or that Jews are the ancestors of today's post-Arafat Palestinians!?

I gave up all illegal drugs over 20 years ago, but am curious as to what you may have discovered. The word "simultainiously" itself lends me to believe you may in fact have some education ties to our current president.But I want to see this thread go back to what it promised. Show some fulfilled prophesy. Let's ignore the Jesus thing, we are never going to get past that. Outside of Jesus, start naming biblical prophesies that came true. This is not on Joseph's shoulders, anyone. There has to be one, right? Haven't heard a single EVER that wasn't false or written after the fact.

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