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Author Topic:   Physics contradicts maths - how is this possible?
Taz
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Message 5 of 69 (442392)
12-21-2007 12:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Agobot
12-20-2007 5:24 PM


Agobot writes:
maths proves that in theory moving objects should never touch each other, physics shows the opposite.
What on Earth are you talking about?
Simple example - 1 stationary object(eg. - a wall) and a fly flying toward it. Say the fly is 1 metre away from the wall. In 0.5 sec she is 0.5 metres from the wall. In 0.9 sec she is 0.9 meters from the wall, in 0.999 sec she is 1 mm from the wall, in 0.9999999999sec she is 0.000000009mm from the wall. In 0.9999999999999999999999999999 sec she'd be 0.0000000000000000000000000009mm from the wall and so on. Obviously, the distance between the fly and wall cannot and will never ever become zero. Yet practice shows that the fly lands on the wall and makes that distance zero. How is this possible?
It's called a limit.
If I remember correctly, the ancient Greek mathematicians were the first to notice this so-called contradition between mathematics and the real world. That's because they didn't have the concept of a limit yet. But, as you may have noticed, it's been several thousand years since then and I'd like to think that we have made at least some progress in this area.

Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!

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Taz
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Message 6 of 69 (442393)
12-21-2007 12:41 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Rrhain
12-21-2007 12:22 AM


Rrhain writes:
Physics is nothing more than applied math.
Haha. I'd like to think of it the other way around, that math is nothing more than physics without the meat.

Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!

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Taz
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Posts: 5069
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Message 61 of 69 (442992)
12-23-2007 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Buzsaw
12-22-2007 8:07 PM


Buzsaw writes:
I've been reading and thinking about my message signature relative to this discussion and whether it has any application to this discussion relative to the Buzsaw hypothisis that the universe is unbounded in area/space and having no beginning and incapable of ending.
I don't understand something, Buz. Perhaps you could clear it up for me?
Here are the positions that you hold as far as I know.
(1) The bible is the literal word of god, that the universe was created in 6 days by god.
(2) Armageddon is some time in the not too distant future.
(3) The universe has no beginning and no end.
As far as I can see it, #3 is in direct contradiction with #1 and #2. Care to explain?

Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!

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Taz
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Posts: 5069
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Message 64 of 69 (443137)
12-23-2007 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Buzsaw
12-23-2007 3:37 PM


Re: Taz Wrong On Buzsaw Positions
Buz writes:
You've got all three items wrong relative to my positions.
Haha, sorry about that. I'll read that thread you bumped.

Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!

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