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Open MInd Member (Idle past 3738 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
I was not talking about the creation of our solar system, I was talking about the matter that you claim existed "before the big bang." There had to be something before the big bang. If there was absolutely nothing before the big bang than you come back to my original question which was, how can something come from nothing?
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 3738 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
Who says? Do you think that answer makes sense?
If it did not than what did it come from? Who made that?
Again I ask, who says? Who wrote these laws of physics?
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jar Member  Posts: 30934 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I don't know where you got the idea I said anything about before the Big Bang.
What does that have to do with either he OP where you asked "There seems to be many theories and explanations about "how" the world came into existence." or the topic which is "Why was the world created?" Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Taz Member (Idle past 1368 days)  Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Ok, you got me there. God made the universe. So... who made god?
The laws of physics are just representations to explain the repeating patterns and behaviors we see in nature. It's our way of making sense of what's happening around us. In other words, there are no such things as laws of physics. They are completely human constructs to explain what we observe. Make sense? Now that I have answered your question, it's time you answer mine. Why are unicorns pink? Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Straggler Member  Posts: 10284 From: London England Joined: |
I think I do....
But THAT is exactly MY point. At some point you will reach a point where the only answer to the question "why" is "because it is", "because he is" or "because he does" Naturalistic answers end up with "because it is" Theistic answers end up with "because he is" or "because he does" (or other such variants) Either naturalistic or theistic the end result is "just becuase...." So to claim that theistic answers somehow answer the "why" is just wrong. The question of "why" is effectively unanswerable at root in any way that is satisfactory in terms of the intent that is implicitly being sought for in the OP.
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Jaderis Member (Idle past 1502 days)  Posts: 622 From: NY,NY Joined: |
Then why even bother asking the question? And how can you say that we cannot know a Suprene Being's intent and then go on to say this:
Bolding mine. You claim to know the nature and intent of the Creator after just saying that Its nature and intent cannot be understood by us puny humans. Refer to my signature for my thoughts on this. "You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 3738 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
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Jaderis Member (Idle past 1502 days) Posts: 622 From: NY,NY Joined: |
Somehow I didn't see a response. If the answer was given by the Creator Himself then what is it? "You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Man wrote the laws of physics after realizing the patterns in phenomena. Everytime we drop a ball, it falls to the ground and at the same rate. After many trials, we can write a law of physics that says that the ball will fall at rate X. If you then come in and ask, why does the ball fall? My answer would be that it is inevitable, the laws of physics demand that the ball must fall. That's just the way things must happen and we have described those things as laws. All this does not preclude god as the source of those patterns, as the writer of the laws. He's just an uneccessisary entity for studying the falling of balls so why even bring him into it, even if he is ultiamtely responsible for causeing them to fall.
Well, who made god if he made it? They're both nonsensical questions, right? Well, not totally. Have you ever read about branes colliding? Maybe the universe came from that. But then, now you're just going to ask "well, where did the branes come from?" "and where did that come from?" ad nauseum Claiming Goddidit doesn't really avoid the question... I don't think your childish curiosity will ever be satisfied without suckling on the magic man in the sky. I preferred to grow up and face the facts (mostly).
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wisdom Junior Member (Idle past 4018 days) Posts: 8 From: London Joined: |
http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch1-1.htm http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8552135092079886288&q=quran... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_u5bkXHuJE Did you guys know these miracles in the Quran have been confirmed by top scientists: http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch1-1.htm Did you guys know that there is not a single contradiction in quran against establibshed modern science, this is proven by a french scientist named Maurice Bucaille in his book "The Bible, Quran and Science: Holy Scriptures Examined in the Light of Modern Knowledge" http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bible-Quran-Science-Scriptures-Knowledge/... Did you guys know that the Quran gives us a falsefication test, that if you can find a single contradiction from it, this is enough to say that it is not from the lord of the worlds, because he cannot make a mistake? Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Shorten display form of two URL's.
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EighteenDelta Inactive Member |
This says that the moon is higher in the 'heavens' than the stars... Seems a might contradicted by science for starters. But this is entirely off topic here. I can't see why this topic was even promoted as a science thread, science doesn't address the 'why' questions like this. Theology addresses them (poorly). -x "Debate is an art form. It is about the winning of arguments. It is not about the discovery of truth. There are certain rules and procedures to debate that really have nothing to do with establishing fact — which creationists have mastered. Some of those rules are: never say anything positive about your own position because it can be attacked, but chip away at what appear to be the weaknesses in your opponent's position. They are good at that. I don't think I could beat the creationists at debate. I can tie them. But in courtrooms they are terrible, because in courtrooms you cannot give speeches. In a courtroom you have to answer direct questions about the positive status of your belief. We destroyed them in Arkansas. On the second day of the two-week trial we had our victory party!" -Stephen Jay Gould
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Chiroptera Member (Idle past 12 days)  Posts: 6531 From: Oklahoma Joined: |
No, I didn't. Thanks. It has become fashionable on the left and in Western Europe to compare the Bush administration to the Nazis. The comparison is not without some superficial merit. In both cases the government is run by a small gang of snickering, stupid thugs whose vision of paradise is full of explosions and beautifully designed prisons. -- Matt Taibbi
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sidelined Inactive Member |
I have never seen such drivel masquerade itself and caper about as though it had some actual insight. This is without doubt the most intellectually barren attempt to fit a religious text into a dimly lit shadow of a vague guess in the sole attempt to flog an agenda of ignorance into the gullible minds of people with nearly non-existent critical skills. Congratulations! That website was truly a rare gem of dumbing down that has not seen the light of day since the dark ages. Edited by sidelined, : No reason given. "Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere." Albert Einstein
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CK Member (Idle past 2204 days)  Posts: 3221 Joined: |
quote: There is a lot of science in my superman comics.
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