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Author Topic:   The scientific method is based on a logical fallacy
NosyNed
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Message 26 of 70 (443509)
12-25-2007 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by sinequanon
12-25-2007 12:24 PM


Tossing out Gravity
But tossing out gravity is also being proposed just as you seem to think should be done. There are some suggestions for a replacement.
They are exactly following the evidence but haven't figured out where it is leading them yet.
Keeping General Relativity and it's newtonian subset seems like a reasonable thing to attempt to do since it is so well supported in other ways. But even though it is very, very reasonable other things are being considered.

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Message 35 of 70 (443535)
12-25-2007 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by sinequanon
12-25-2007 1:47 PM


Fasified
Do you agree that its current status is "falsified".
No, how foolish would that be! We don't overturn a well supported theory based on a mystery. We have to dig into the mystery first.
There are multiple competing explanations for the anomaly. If some turn out to be right gravity will be falsified. It will almost certainly be falsified in the same why the general relativity falsified Newtonian mechanics though. Even falsified as shadings.
ou are using very subjective terms here. "Seems" and "reasonable". What happened to the quantitative rigour? Falsification is falsification.
What world do you live in? We have not, by any means, falsified anything yet. We have some interesting observations that, if correct, will probably lead to some interesting science. It is waaaay premature to leap beyond the "mmmm that's interesting" (from Asimov) step yet.
At the edge of the science at any given time there are lots of "interesting" things. Some have more potential to shake things up but all are what is fun about science. However not all will survive.
Stay tuned to this channel.

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NosyNed
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Message 36 of 70 (443536)
12-25-2007 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by sinequanon
12-25-2007 3:27 PM


Teaching a law
So it's not a law. Should it be taught as one?
At what level of education? Newtonian physics can be taught as "true" to one set of students. Then they get the WOW fun when they find out about relativity. They have moved the introduction of relativity down about 4 years in the educational system here since I was in high school (yes it had been discovered then ). But you can't teach it all at once.
I am at a loss as to how you could operate in the real world thinking as you do. You take small steps to understanding.
What balances the centrifugal forces in the rotating galaxy?
Is this like Jeopardy? You ask the question to the answer?

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Message 41 of 70 (443544)
12-25-2007 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by sinequanon
12-25-2007 3:48 PM


Re: Fasified
You seem to be in some disagreement with cavediver, here.
Nope not at all. Read more s l o w l y.
That's how creationists think, too. FAITH that their beliefs will hold out against contrary evidence.
A difference being that they don't have any existing evidence based theory to work on. Instead of having to deal with a mystery they have to ignore a HUGE amount of very non-mysterious evidence.
Physics 101 is not interesting here. Don't pretend.

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