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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
How do evolutionists account for the lack of evdence accounting for the population growth problem here? By pointing out that the problem only exists in the minds of Biblical Creationists. First, you did not even use the formula in your original link. Second you did not even use the 82 year fudge factor. Did you even read any of the responses? It appears not since they clearly answered that question. Population growth is limited by the ability to make use of the resources available. Can you understand that? Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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Percy Member Posts: 22502 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
cavediver writes: Buzz, I'm truly speachless... have you read anything that Percy has stated? A growth rate of 0.5% for 20500 years??? You've just been told that the growth rate from 1CE to 1000CE was around 0.04%. Where the hell do you get 0.5% from? I was way, way beyond speechless! Thanks for noticing! --Percy
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
What I'm trying to do is to simplify the solution to this debate since there's so much controversy over the reading of the original website and so few messages to move on from this.
I'll give plenty of leeway to make it more than fair with the advantage to evolutionists. Calculate beginning with 2 persons 40000 years ago today. That allows 60000 years of advancement in the human race before we begin the calculation as per the evolutionist model. Now again for your advantage let's set the average growth rate at .1% factoring in everything. After 40000 years the population should still be:Population in 40000 yrs (present) = 46,099,380,681,100,000 And that's even allowing the advantage to evolution of a hypothetical starting point beginning 40000 years ago with two people! Population in 40000 = 46,099,380,681,100,000 Calculator: Human Population Calculator Edited by Buzsaw, : add calculator link Edited by Buzsaw, : correct typo on percentage. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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CK Member (Idle past 4155 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
but that's a daft calculation to make because it takes no account of resource availability, which has already been pointed out to you three or four times already... even the calculator you use states that:
quote: I also like how you think you are doing a favour by setting average growth at 0.1% when it already know that the growth rate from 1CE to 1000CE was around 0.04%! Edited by CK, : Clarification Edited by CK, : typo Edited by CK, : No reason given.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3671 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
et's set the average growth rate at .01% factoring in everything Buz, if you did use .01% then your answer would be 109 people in 60,000 years You've used 0.1% Give it up, Buz - the horse isn't just dead, it's partly fossilised - thats not a hole anymore, it's a tunnel to Australia, etc, etc Edited by cavediver, : No reason given.
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Percy Member Posts: 22502 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Buzsaw writes: What I'm trying to do is to simplify the solution to this debate since there's so much controversy over the reading of the original website and so few messages to move on from this. There is no controversy over the original website. It is wildly wrong no matter how you interpret it, and this has already been explained in detail.
Calculate beginning with 2 persons 40000 years ago today. That allows 60000 years of advancement in the human race before we begin the calculation as per the evolutionist model. Now again for your advantage let's set the average growth rate at .01% factoring in everything. After 40000 years the population should still be: Population in 40000 yrs (present) = 46,099,380,681,100,000 Buz, what term would you use to describe someone who continues making the same erroneous point over and over again, despite that it's been explained why it's wrong many times in different ways by multiple people? Whatever term that might be, please take that term and apply it to yourself. Thank you. Now let's move on to another evidence for creationism. --Percy
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Assume for a second that Buz's nonsense was correct, and that we do not see Malthusian Growth all around.
How would that provide any support for Creationism? The problem is the same one that gets repeated here all the time. The fact we do not see straight geometric population growth does not offer any support for Biblical Creationism. By Buz continuing to waste everyones time on a point that does not offer any support for his assertion in the first place, he gets to claim some form of victory by filling the thread without admitting he is spouting nonsense. The fact is that the current population models explain what we see in humans as well as every other species. Populations are limited by the ability to use the resources available. When is Buz or any other Creationist going to present some evidence that actually supports Biblical Creationism? Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
DA writes: I also like how you think you are doing a favour by setting average growth at 0.1% when it already know that the growth rate from 1CE to 1000CE was around 0.04%! But we're not talking ICE to CE. We're talking 40000 to present. That's what you need to address. Thanks for correcting my typo to 0.1% BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
So it was a typo. We all make them on occasion. What is your response to 0.1% relative to my calculations.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
I've lowered the bar considerably for you from the original website. Why do you want to move on so quickly without countering my skewed calculations which are all in your favor? (Correction in typo = 0.1%)
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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CK Member (Idle past 4155 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Let's deal with Jar's question - how is this evidence FOR creationism?
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Jar, my calculations are not based on straight geometric population growth. I'm sure you are aware of that. Why do you try to argue otherwise? Who's wasting bandwidth? They are based on a low average basis which allows for periods of lower growth. Plus I'm giving you all a 60000 year head start for good measure! Have you forgotten that already?
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
All you are doing is spouting your bullshit as usual Buz. You have been given the answer MANY times in this thread but maybe if I give it one more time it might get through.
Populations are limited by their ability to utilize the available resources. It really is that simple and someone's gotta be dumber than a red brick not to understand that. Oh, and one more thing. They offer no support for the perversion called Biblical Creationism. Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
DA writes: Let's deal with Jar's question - how is this evidence FOR creationism? No matter how you cut it the math appears to bode in favor of the Biblical model of relatively recent created humans. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Percy Member Posts: 22502 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Buz, this is just breathtaking, even for you. Isn't there even a hint of something nibbling at the back of your mind that perhaps you're overlooking something? Like maybe the one thing that everyone keeps mentioning? Like maybe Malthusian limits?
--Percy
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