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Topic: Discussing the evidence that support creationism
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Cold Foreign Object 
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I hope you take the time to learn a little something here. Could you please show us where Aquilegia or any Creationist came to this Forum to learn? Could you please also show us where any Evolutionist was recognized as a teacher and accepted in that role by any Creationist? Creationists come to EvC Forum to evidence Creationism and show the falsity of Evolutionism. Ray
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Cold Foreign Object
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Then they must have infinite determination as they have failed countless times and will keep marching on the path to failure. As noted, there hasn't been evidence presented that supports creationism, just goddidit. All this says is that evolutionists will deny all evidence that contradicts their "evolution-did-it" theory. If you want to review quite a bit of evidence from a YEC (which I am not) then go here: The Emperor Has No Clothes - Naturalism and The Theory of Evolution Kenneth Miller's Best Arguments Against Intelligent Design Radiometric Dating Methods The Evolution of Early Man The Evolution of Early Man The Geologic Column The Fossil Record The Evolution of the Flagellum Limited Evolutionary Potential The Evolution of the Human Eye Evolving the Irreducible - Behe's Mousetrap Problem Radiocarbon Dating The first thing you will learn about is the Emperor's New Clothes, which is a metaphoric story corresponding to society today. The Emperor, of course, is naked (= there is no evidence of evolution). Ray
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Cold Foreign Object
Suspended Member (Idle past 3070 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: 11-21-2003
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Message 190 of 301 (442848)
12-22-2007 7:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 189 by subbie
12-22-2007 7:42 PM
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Re: A new, all-time low for Ray
So, you put forth this list of PRATTs, which you refer to as "quite a bit of evidence," but then immediately disclaim any belief in the evidence by saying that you are not a YEC. I think the internal consistency meter has just blown itself out of existence. You have misunderstood. I was attempting to say that whatever arguments are made to support a young earth I reject. Everything else is top notch stuff. Ray
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Cold Foreign Object
Suspended Member (Idle past 3070 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: 11-21-2003
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Message 200 of 301 (443064)
12-23-2007 5:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 192 by jar
12-22-2007 7:56 PM
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Re: A new, all-time low for Ray
The topic, in case you missed it, is "Discussing the evidence that support creationism". Do you ever expect to actually present something on topic? Okay, let's start with reality: the observation of design seen abundantly in nature and organisms. design indicates Designer = evidence supporting Creationism based on observation, which is the cornerstone of science. Ray
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Cold Foreign Object
Suspended Member (Idle past 3070 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: 11-21-2003
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Re: The Emperor's New Clothes
One thing about that story that you might like to think about is that if you'd gone round all the people in the crowd and asked them to describe the clothes, they'd all have given radically different answers. [SNIP...] It's as though a man in the crowd was to say: "The emperor's flowing, elegant satin garments are flesh-pink. Now the guy standing next to me is convinced that his clothes are bright blue, but every other part of his description is top-notch stuff". It is of no surprise that you have missed the point or do not understand at all. The Emperor's New Clothes story is the traditional metaphor that Creationists have adopted to describe the success of the Theory of Evolution. The Emperor represents the recognized status quo, whether it be the government or the media or the scientific community or all three. Everyone is afraid of their powers so they commend the Emperor. But in reality the Emperor is naked. His nakedness in comparison to the adoration of his new clothes is in direct ratio equal to the degree that the masses are afraid to offend him and the consequences that will befall. Since the Emperor is naked, this represents the amount of evidence that evolution actually has - ZERO. But it carries on in success because everyone is afraid to offend the Emperor and tell him that his new clothes are not even bad since they do not even exist. Again, this is how we explain the success of a theory that has no legitimate or credible evidence. I recommended the website except for those parts which argue for a young Earth (I am a OEC). Ray Edited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given.
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Cold Foreign Object
Suspended Member (Idle past 3070 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: 11-21-2003
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Message 206 of 301 (443077)
12-23-2007 5:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 201 by NosyNed
12-23-2007 5:13 PM
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Re: This design indicates NO designer
Why, then Ray, have you avoided this thread?
Thread Distinguishing "designs" in Forum Intelligent Design I haven't avoided anything. Maybe I will take my reply over there. Ray
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Cold Foreign Object
Suspended Member (Idle past 3070 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: 11-21-2003
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Message 261 of 301 (443750)
12-26-2007 5:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 260 by Percy
12-26-2007 4:47 PM
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Re: Still NO support for Biblical Creationism
No more times, I hope. Once a population reaches the Malthus limit, population growth goes to 0. If climatic conditions take a turn for the worse, such as the onset of an ice age, or such as happened in Greenland to the Norse during the mini-ice age, then population growth will go negative. Why are you invoking Malthusian geometric population principle since the same was offered as evidence against evolution? Ray
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Cold Foreign Object
Suspended Member (Idle past 3070 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: 11-21-2003
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Message 262 of 301 (443752)
12-26-2007 5:09 PM
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Reply to: Message 259 by jar
12-26-2007 4:44 PM
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Re: Still NO support for Biblical Creationism
The fact is ... Populations are limited by their ability to utilize the available resources. Do you understand that simple rule? A simple truism, what's the point? Ray
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Cold Foreign Object
Suspended Member (Idle past 3070 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: 11-21-2003
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Message 263 of 301 (443755)
12-26-2007 5:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 247 by jar
12-26-2007 2:42 PM
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Re: Creationism: overwhelming support
When is Buz or any other Creationist going to present some evidence that actually supports Biblical Creationism? This is your standard question. In reality it is a rhetorical device used to deny the evidence status as evidence. Creationism is supported by: 1. Observation of design seen abundantly in reality. Logically, the same corresponds to invisible Designer. 2. Cambrian explosion: we could not ask or dream of better evidence corroborating Genesis special creation. Above we have interlocking evidence: observation of design indicates Designer and the crust of the Earth says the Designer is the Genesis Creator. Ray
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Cold Foreign Object
Suspended Member (Idle past 3070 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: 11-21-2003
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Re: Still NO support for Biblical Creationism
The point is that Buz does not take into account the availability of resources. His argument is essentially assuming a constant growth pattern not taking in to account the scarcity of resources much less plagues and natural disasters. The point has been made to Buz at least three times and he ignores it every single time. What is funny is that Buz and other creationists attack evolution for assuming constant radioactive decay, except he uses the same argument in principle only with something we know did not follow constant rates. Buz's argument is total hash because of his failure to incorporate the scarcity of resources. I thought Buzsaw was talking only about humans? But let me say this: if resources are as you say then how do you explain the nature we see today - the same of which was destroyed by the Flood about 5300 years ago? Resources are not the paucity that you make them out to be. Ray
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