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Message 229 of 301 (443511)
12-25-2007 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by Percy
12-25-2007 1:13 PM


Re: Human Population Factor
Even worse, applying their figures yields a world human population at the time of Christ of 1.7 million. That was probably the population of just Rome alone in the year 1. The estimated world population at the time of Christ is around 200 million.
Even more interesting is that using their figures proves that the Exodus didn't happen. Their figures show that the total population of the world was less than the claimed number of Jews leaving Egypt for the Trek that Never Happened.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin
Edited by jar, : still can't spall

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Message 231 of 301 (443517)
12-25-2007 1:53 PM
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12-25-2007 1:44 PM


On Ethics and Creationism
Now we will see if there is any Ethics standard in Biblical Creationism. Will they remove the population allegations or will the remove Exodus?

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Message 241 of 301 (443683)
12-26-2007 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 238 by Buzsaw
12-26-2007 11:22 AM


Driving your stupid Population Argument Home
How do evolutionists account for the lack of evdence accounting for the population growth problem here?
By pointing out that the problem only exists in the minds of Biblical Creationists.
First, you did not even use the formula in your original link. Second you did not even use the 82 year fudge factor.
Did you even read any of the responses? It appears not since they clearly answered that question.
Population growth is limited by the ability to make use of the resources available.
Can you understand that?

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Message 247 of 301 (443716)
12-26-2007 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by Percy
12-26-2007 2:21 PM


Still NO support for Biblical Creationism
Assume for a second that Buz's nonsense was correct, and that we do not see Malthusian Growth all around.
How would that provide any support for Creationism?
The problem is the same one that gets repeated here all the time.
The fact we do not see straight geometric population growth does not offer any support for Biblical Creationism. By Buz continuing to waste everyones time on a point that does not offer any support for his assertion in the first place, he gets to claim some form of victory by filling the thread without admitting he is spouting nonsense.
The fact is that the current population models explain what we see in humans as well as every other species. Populations are limited by the ability to use the resources available.
When is Buz or any other Creationist going to present some evidence that actually supports Biblical Creationism?

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jar
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Message 253 of 301 (443730)
12-26-2007 4:19 PM
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12-26-2007 4:11 PM


Re: Still NO support for Biblical Creationism
All you are doing is spouting your bullshit as usual Buz. You have been given the answer MANY times in this thread but maybe if I give it one more time it might get through.
Populations are limited by their ability to utilize the available resources.
It really is that simple and someone's gotta be dumber than a red brick not to understand that.
Oh, and one more thing.
They offer no support for the perversion called Biblical Creationism.

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Message 259 of 301 (443740)
12-26-2007 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by Buzsaw
12-26-2007 4:31 PM


Re: Still NO support for Biblical Creationism
Repeating bullshit may be your only tactic Buz but it is still just bullshit. A straight population projection is nothing but bullshit.
The fact is ...
Populations are limited by their ability to utilize the available resources.
Do you understand that simple rule?
But the really important part is it STILL does not offer any support for the perversion called Biblical Creationism.
Do your EVER plan to provide any such support or keep repeating shit that has been refuted?

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Message 264 of 301 (443756)
12-26-2007 5:23 PM
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12-26-2007 5:18 PM


Re: Creationism: overwhelming support
1. Observation of design seen abundantly in reality. Logically, the same corresponds to invisible Designer.
So far no one has been able to show design, only the appearance of design, and the appearance of design we do see is not that of a Designer but rather what we expect from random mutation filtered by natural selection.
2. Cambrian explosion: we could not ask or dream of better evidence corroborating Genesis special creation.
Except that we have now found the precursors from pre-Cambrian rocks.

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Message 275 of 301 (443883)
12-27-2007 10:30 AM
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12-27-2007 10:19 AM


No problem
It does however appear problematic for evolutionists that factoring the Malthusian factor and all we only reached 300 million from ICE by 1200 AD (around 20000 years).
No, Buz, you have had this explained to you a brazillion times.
Population growth is limited by the ability to use the available resources.
Imo the flood model would explain that low number given that the number trippled in just 600 years from 1200AD to 1800AD before modern methodology according to the experts.
There is no Flood model!

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Message 287 of 301 (444052)
12-28-2007 12:04 AM
Reply to: Message 286 by Buzsaw
12-27-2007 11:59 PM


Re: Cell & Brain Complexity
Sorry but that is nothing but the old fallacy of Argument from Incredulity.
In addition, it is NOT support for Biblical Creationism.
AbE:
Remember Buz, proving one model is wrong does not add any credence to some other model.
You might want to study How can "Creationism" be supported? to learn how to go about supporting Creationism.
Edited by jar, : add some help for Buz

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Message 293 of 301 (444283)
12-28-2007 8:09 PM


Summary: there is no support for Creationism.
as Buz says:
Buz writes:
Much of the credibility of the Biblical model lies in corroborating data like the fulfilled prophecies, the Exodus crossing reseach, history, interpretation of the observed, but to them it's all whistling in the wind and they have no interest in any of it since much of it is not directly related to science itself. Creationists like myself see much of this as supportive to the Biblical record so we begin with that as our model and debate falsification attempts.
Imo, the greatest debate of all boils down to dating methodology. Our argument is somewhat like Malthusian except that instead of unknows about population survival capabilities etc it's about unknow conditions preflood, when the Biblical flood model is applied. Jar denies there is such a thing as flood or Biblical model, but that's as foolish as if we were to try to deny the models evolutionists use for arguing their POV. The Biblical and flood model has no resemblence whatsoever to the secularist evolutionist POV yet they insist that our evidences must be based on their model. It just ainta gona work thataway if we are to have real fair and balanced evo-creo debate here. W can't debate the Biblical model exclusive of the book itself and the evidences observed relative to the supernatural aspects of it. That is not to say the Bible itself is evidence. No way! It's what we see as a credible model from which to base our research so as to either verify or falsify the model.
... all even he has is assertions of fact like "Much of the credibility of the Biblical model lies in corroborating data like the fulfilled prophecies, the Exodus crossing reseach, history, interpretation of the observed, but to them it's all whistling in the wind and they have no interest in any of it since much of it is not directly related to science itself." yet he has NEVER been able to support any one of those things and in fact things like "the Exodus crossing reseach" don't even exist; what he is referencing is not research but a frikking infomercial.
The only support that has been presented has been fallacious attacks on the conventional models and assertions of fact that they seem unwilling to support.
Biblical Creationism and ID are not just non-explanations, they are perversions of theology.

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