EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed - Science Under Attack

Jar, could you give us the reason why you think it's a parody? I watched it twice. Couldn't tell.

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Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!

And just how many people in the general public will be able to tell the difference between real science and bullshit?

It at least boils my blood because the "documentary" will be shown to people like these and these and [url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=2XkgOdb8tdA]these and these.About that last one, notice the reasons why people don't believe in evolution. Most of those reasons are faith based.Back in my fundamentalist days when I was in college, some French students humiliated my fellow American christians by drawing a fairly accurate map of the world and asked us to locate regions like Scandinavia, New Zealand, etc. I sat there and watched in awe as the people who I previously thought were smart (probably because of their literacy in the bible) couldn't even point to the general direction of Scandinavia. I have to ask myself this question. Is one of the prices of being religious fundamentalist a life time of ignorance?These are the same people who vote, mind you. If they can't even locate Iran, one of the larger countries in the Middle East, what on Earth makes you think people like me can sleep well at night when cdesign proponentists depend on these people to dictate policy on what ought to be taught in the science classroom?these and these.About that last one, notice the reasons why people don't believe in evolution. Most of those reasons are faith based.Back in my fundamentalist days when I was in college, some French students humiliated my fellow American christians by drawing a fairly accurate map of the world and asked us to locate regions like Scandinavia, New Zealand, etc. I sat there and watched in awe as the people who I previously thought were smart (probably because of their literacy in the bible) couldn't even point to the general direction of Scandinavia. I have to ask myself this question. Is one of the prices of being religious fundamentalist a life time of ignorance?These are the same people who vote, mind you. If they can't even locate Iran, one of the larger countries in the Middle East, what on Earth makes you think people like me can sleep well at night when cdesign proponentists depend on these people to dictate policy on what ought to be taught in the science classroom?[]these and these.About that last one, notice the reasons why people don't believe in evolution. Most of those reasons are faith based.Back in my fundamentalist days when I was in college, some French students humiliated my fellow American christians by drawing a fairly accurate map of the world and asked us to locate regions like Scandinavia, New Zealand, etc. I sat there and watched in awe as the people who I previously thought were smart (probably because of their literacy in the bible) couldn't even point to the general direction of Scandinavia. I have to ask myself this question. Is one of the prices of being religious fundamentalist a life time of ignorance?These are the same people who vote, mind you. If they can't even locate Iran, one of the larger countries in the Middle East, what on Earth makes you think people like me can sleep well at night when cdesign proponentists depend on these people to dictate policy on what ought to be taught in the science classroom?these and these.About that last one, notice the reasons why people don't believe in evolution. Most of those reasons are faith based.Back in my fundamentalist days when I was in college, some French students humiliated my fellow American christians by drawing a fairly accurate map of the world and asked us to locate regions like Scandinavia, New Zealand, etc. I sat there and watched in awe as the people who I previously thought were smart (probably because of their literacy in the bible) couldn't even point to the general direction of Scandinavia. I have to ask myself this question. Is one of the prices of being religious fundamentalist a life time of ignorance?These are the same people who vote, mind you. If they can't even locate Iran, one of the larger countries in the Middle East, what on Earth makes you think people like me can sleep well at night when cdesign proponentists depend on these people to dictate policy on what ought to be taught in the science classroom?

You misunderstand me. They can know all they want about ID. I just think you people are evil for taking advantage of their ignorance. It's like teaching a 3 year old about religion. They don't know any better, so they believe in Hank. Ditto. Some people just don't care enough to get to know the facts, but obviously they care enough to vote. Huh? You really think it's a good idea to let people who can't locate Iran on the map to dictate geography education? If not, why do you want people who don't know what apoptosis is to dictate what goes on in the biology classroom?The point is if ID really is valid science, stop trying to promote it among the general public and really present something in the scientific community.Again, do you want people who can't locate New Zealand on the map to dictate what should be taught in the geography classroom? If not, why do you want people who don't know the difference between mitosis and meiosis to dictate what should be taught in the biology classroom? Why do you want people who never heard of the carnot cycle to dictate what should be taught in the physics classroom?

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Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!

Peer review is a rigorous process. One of my past mentors submitted revision after revision of a paper 4 times before it got published. Not every paper submitted will be published.By the way, did you forget to read message 15 by Modulous? Ah, but obviously Behe isn't choosing the route of presenting scientific evidence to the scientific community. He hasn't published anything for years. Instead, he's been going around trying to tell people that the god of abraham was responsible for all life on Earth.Again, if ID really is valid science, then at least try to make it look like valid science. Instead, we see ID being promoted directly to the general public, the same general public that believe scientists are a bunch of dumbasses. You misunderstand me. I am not saying cdesign proponentists are idiots. I am saying they are trying to promote their idea to idiots instead of submitting it to the right people to be criticized.Again, why appeal to people who can't place Iceland on an unmarked map or know what the processes of mitosis involve? Cdesign proponentists really ought to be conducting experiments and present genuine data to be reviewed. I'm not talking about just 1 or 2 papers. I'm talking about research after research after research. If ID is valid science, then show us that it is rather than trying to appeal to the ignorant masses of religious fundamentalists and republicans.Added by edit.By the way, I'm a physicist not a biologist. That link of yours I don't feel I have the expertise to comment on. Since you're all-knowing in every field of science known to man, perhaps you'd like to outline to me what that paper says?Edited by Taz, : No reason given.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.Edited by Taz, : Fixing a bug.

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Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!

It's a bug. It has happened to several people I know. I still haven't got a clue how it happens yet.On another note, I thought repetition would eventually pound some sense into him

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Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!

Well, we always have Canada to immigrate to if push comes to shove. Richard and Daniel might further alienate the masses, but I think Sam Harris will be able to give a measured response. Hey, it's your software. Just be thankful I'm not screwing with the theads, and mind you I still have several tricks up my sleeves. Well... I'm kinda split on this one. I think creationists like NJ and the American public can do an equal amount of damage to modern science. NJ seems to be very literate in the art of writing long paragraphs of bullshit that look and smell like chicken. The American public can do an equal amount of damage because they vote.Frankly, I don't know which one I'd rather sleep with if a gun is pressed against my head.

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Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!

But they do target a bunch of dumbasses in regard to science. The general public has this view that they understand the bulk of scientific knowledge by reading a single article from a popular magazine. You don't know how frustrating it is for someone like me at times to have to answer to questions like "if gravity is real how come rocks don't orbit mountains?" and "if the big bang happened how come there are retrograde planets?" The answers to those questions are quite simple, but you must first have a background to understand the answer. When they see me hesitate to give a single sentence answer, they assume I'm just another dumbass physicist.The general public is the worst crowd for scientists to have to deal with, especially since we live in an age when everyone has an opinion on everything. Just the other day, I heard someone rant on and on how quantum physics is a bunch of crap. I had to bite my tongue to prevent myself from saying anything. When he saw me didn't say anything, he thought he was right and continued to give me a load of horseshit on why quantum physics is "scientifically proven false over and over".Try to see this from our perspective. You wouldn't want someone like me to tell you how to hold a gun, do you? Why appeal to the general public in hope that they would dictate what ought to and ought not to be science? Perhaps you missed our discussion about the Dover trial.During the trial, they looked through the drafts and earlier versions of pandas and people. The earlier versions of this book, instead of having the words intelligent design, had the word creationism. Instead of having the words design proponent, it had creationist. Only the latest version did they change creationism to intelligent design and creationist to design proponent.And during the trial, they were able to find a "missing link" between intelligent design and creationism. They found the word cdesign proponentist. Get it? They probably did it in a hurry so they only highlighted "reation" and left in "c ist".And you're trying to tell me intelligent design has nothing to do with biblical creationism? Nem, in the academic world, we try to stay close to our field as much as possible.We're not like you where we feel like we have the right to comment on every subject known to man. I was trained in physics, math, and chemistry. I'm not going to pretend like I could accurately critique a biology paper.This is another thing that the general public seems to have a problem understanding. People generally don't understand what it means to be a specialist.Some years ago, I went to see a debate between an astronomer and a creationist preacher. The preacher attacked the astronomer by spouting out all kinds of lies about geology and asking the astronomer random questions about geology... even though the topic was astronomical evidence for an old universe. The astronomer wasn't that good of a public speaker or debater, so he simply said geology wasn't his field of expertise. You know what happened? The crowed cheered for the preacher, thinking he was way smarter and more knowledgable than the astronomer. Regular people don't understand that in academia we don't pretend to know something that we don't know. Creationists and cdesign proponentists have done well to take advantage of this public ignorance.Again, try to see it from our point of view. We know how ignorant the masses can be. By appealing straight to the masses, cdesign proponentists are simply taking advantage of the ignorant masses for their own religious agenda.

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Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!

I'd hardly call a bunch of arctic archipeligos valuable resources.

{Main bulk of this message has been hidden by moi. Read below for reason.} Look, if ID is really science, can you name a few ways in which we can disprove the "theory"? This is one of the criteria for being a valid scientific theory. You have to be able to disprove it.In fact, I'm going to hide the rest of this post. Just name a few ways we can do to disprove this ID theory.

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Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!

It's more than what I think. It's a fact. The overwhelming majority of Americans are christians, which is why no politician who is not a christian can ever be elected into a high level office. Even the most liberal of candidates have to say over and over that they are men of faith (christian).By the way, as of this morning, I am no longer an atheist. I accept the God Prometheus as my personal savior.

Even if we are talking about the christians who are creationists, we're still talking about the majority of the population. The girl? Who's that? Haha, even you?Anyway, you might want to reconsider your acceptance of Jesus as your personal savior. All he did was went through a day of suffering for your sins. The God Prometheus, however, gave us fire and tricked the other gods into accepting bone rapped in animal fat as offerings rather than the meat and other essential items that mankind badly needed at the time. In essence, he gave us fire, technology, poetry, medicine, astronomy, mathematics, navigation, philosophy, architecture, and many other arts. This was directly against other gods' wishes and so Prometheus paid dearly for it. He was tied up and everyday a vulture would come and eat his liver and every night his liver would regenerate only to be eaten again the next day. This went on for millenia before the Greek Hero Heracles killed the vulture.In other words, the God Prometheus gave you everything you ever had, everything you have, and everything you will have. He is the true savior of mankind and the light of the world.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.Edited by True Believer, : Added siggy

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Thou shalt accept Prometheus as thy savior for HE is the true light of Humanity and the World.

Because scientists are idiots with single digit IQs.Scratch that. Scientists are smart people but they don't have "god sight".

I have to comment on this.There are 2 sides to the ID movement. On one side, they are trying to convince the legal parts of our society that ID is secular. These battlegrounds are mainly in the courtrooms.On the other side, they are trying to convince the nonlegal parts of our society that ID is religion and that the designer is the christian god. Why? Because they know that conning people into backing them up will give them a better chance at getting it accepted.You have to know which "evidence" of ID goes where. In this particular case, this documentary is appealing to the unwashed masses. I highly doubt that anyone would bring this documentary up in the courtroom.It's like homosexuality. On the one hand, they yell out all kinds of hate speech against homosexuals and do everything they possibly can to take away people's rights on that front. But on the other hand, they claim that "all sins are equal", never mind that evangelical leaders have been conning people out of millions of dollars for years. It's the same damn hypocritical mindset.

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I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't put my head that far up my ass.

Muahahahahahahahah!!!Serves them right.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

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I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't put my head that far up my ass.