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Percy
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Message 16 of 438 (443867)
12-27-2007 7:54 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Hyroglyphx
12-26-2007 9:13 PM


Re: Making the claim for him
Of course it's not scary to you, dear, the lies aren't about you, and you don't think they're lies, anyway.

--Percy


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Message 17 of 438 (443868)
12-27-2007 8:14 AM


My Personal Reaction
There are a couple questions first. We see it every day here, the effectiveness of the lie that creationism is science just like evolution. How much more effective is the lie packaged up into a slick documentary narrated by a comforting, trustworthy, grandfatherly narrator like Ben Stein?

Will this documentary, like most documentaries, will be released and disappear? Or will it, like The Thin Blue Line of many years ago, break through into the national consciousness?

At a minimum it should prove popular across the Bible Belt. One can imagine that even if it isn't carried by local theatres that fundamentalist churches in places like Dover, Pennsylvania, and Topeka, Kansas, will be running it nightly for months. Blockbuster and Netflix will likely carry it. Many will buy it. It might possibly receive a lot of attention nationally. It doesn't seem impossible that the current whining about supposed scientific censorship of creationist views will become a deafening national outcry.

Of course, this will all be taking place during a presidential election year. The first primary will be January 8, 2008, here in New Hampshire, and the film's release is just a month later. Candidates who were recently asked for a show of hands of who did not believe in evolution (was it three hands that were raised?) will now be asked their reaction to the charges in the documentary and what they plan to do about it as president.

The problem of communicating the difference between proposing an idea and doing the science to support the idea, the one that we see writ here in the small everyday and that occasionally gets writ larger on the national scene when events like Dover and Kansas occur, could be about to get writ larger than we've ever seen it before. Given that the intended audience is the American public, which for the most part doesn't know that a year is the time it takes for the earth to orbit the sun and can't find Iceland on an unmarked map, is science ready to make their case with effectiveness and clarity? Is it even possible?

--Percy


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Message 18 of 438 (443900)
12-27-2007 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Percy
12-27-2007 8:14 AM


Re: My Personal Reaction
There are a couple questions first. We see it every day here, the effectiveness of the lie that creationism is science just like evolution. How much more effective is the lie packaged up into a slick documentary narrated by a comforting, trustworthy, grandfatherly narrator like Ben Stein?

I can appreciate the fact that you think a lie is being perpetrated against you as an assault on science. I get that part. Did it ever occur to you that this is EXACTLY how the other side feels -- lied to and ostracized for daring to question the paradigm?

Will this documentary, like most documentaries, will be released and disappear? Or will it, like The Thin Blue Line of many years ago, break through into the national consciousness?

You know, at least once a week, there is some magazine or television program that assaults the core of Christianity in its attempt to malign history in favor of a revised version. Its constant. And this coming from respectable sources.

You've never suffered as much of an attack, so forgive me if I don't feel pity for your side. If it is a lie, then there is no shortage of people waiting to debunk it. We live in a marketplace of ideas in a free society. There is no reason why an exchange can't be made with civility.

One can imagine that even if it isn't carried by local theatres that fundamentalist churches in places like Dover, Pennsylvania, and Topeka, Kansas, will be running it nightly for months. Blockbuster and Netflix will likely carry it. Many will buy it.

Yeah, and? We have to suffer Michael Moore, practically the father of all lies. You don't think he does irreparable harm? You are only thinking about this from your perspective. As much as you believe that evolution is case closed, there are some very serious inconsistenties that people want addressed.

Of course, this will all be taking place during a presidential election year. The first primary will be January 8, 2008, here in New Hampshire, and the film's release is just a month later. Candidates who were recently asked for a show of hands of who did not believe in evolution (was it three hands that were raised?) will now be asked their reaction to the charges in the documentary and what they plan to do about it as president.

Which may or not be a coincidence. I distinctly remember Farenheit 9/11 coming out the month before the election too. I guess conspiracies go in both directions.

Given that the intended audience is the American public, which for the most part doesn't know that a year is the time it takes for the earth to orbit the sun and can't find Iceland on an unmarked map, is science ready to make their case with effectiveness and clarity? Is it even possible?

Given all of the world's ills, I find it amazing that this boils your blood more than anything else. I can say that evolution very well could be true. It would not affect me in the slightest. I simply have some serious reservations about it, not theologicaly, but scientifically. I am open to the debate. Can you say that you are open to the thought of a fine-tuned universe? Or have you ruled it out a priori, being perpetually off limits?


“First dentistry was painless, then bicycles were chainless, and carriages were horseless, and many laws enforceless. Next cookery was fireless, telegraphy was wireless, cigars were nicotineless, and coffee caffeineless. Soon oranges were seedless, the putting green was weedless, the college boy was hatless, the proper diet -- fatless. New motor roads are dustless, the latest steel is rustless, our tennis courts are sodless, our new religion -- Godless” -Arthur Guiterman
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Taz
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Message 19 of 438 (443904)
12-27-2007 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Hyroglyphx
12-27-2007 12:25 PM


Re: My Personal Reaction
Nem writes:

Given all of the world's ills, I find it amazing that this boils your blood more than anything else.


It at least boils my blood because the "documentary" will be shown to people like these and these and [url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=2XkgOdb8tdA]these and these.

About that last one, notice the reasons why people don't believe in evolution. Most of those reasons are faith based.

Back in my fundamentalist days when I was in college, some French students humiliated my fellow American christians by drawing a fairly accurate map of the world and asked us to locate regions like Scandinavia, New Zealand, etc. I sat there and watched in awe as the people who I previously thought were smart (probably because of their literacy in the bible) couldn't even point to the general direction of Scandinavia. I have to ask myself this question. Is one of the prices of being religious fundamentalist a life time of ignorance?

These are the same people who vote, mind you. If they can't even locate Iran, one of the larger countries in the Middle East, what on Earth makes you think people like me can sleep well at night when cdesign proponentists depend on these people to dictate policy on what ought to be taught in the science classroom?these and these.

About that last one, notice the reasons why people don't believe in evolution. Most of those reasons are faith based.

Back in my fundamentalist days when I was in college, some French students humiliated my fellow American christians by drawing a fairly accurate map of the world and asked us to locate regions like Scandinavia, New Zealand, etc. I sat there and watched in awe as the people who I previously thought were smart (probably because of their literacy in the bible) couldn't even point to the general direction of Scandinavia. I have to ask myself this question. Is one of the prices of being religious fundamentalist a life time of ignorance?

These are the same people who vote, mind you. If they can't even locate Iran, one of the larger countries in the Middle East, what on Earth makes you think people like me can sleep well at night when cdesign proponentists depend on these people to dictate policy on what ought to be taught in the science classroom?[]these and these.

About that last one, notice the reasons why people don't believe in evolution. Most of those reasons are faith based.

Back in my fundamentalist days when I was in college, some French students humiliated my fellow American christians by drawing a fairly accurate map of the world and asked us to locate regions like Scandinavia, New Zealand, etc. I sat there and watched in awe as the people who I previously thought were smart (probably because of their literacy in the bible) couldn't even point to the general direction of Scandinavia. I have to ask myself this question. Is one of the prices of being religious fundamentalist a life time of ignorance?

These are the same people who vote, mind you. If they can't even locate Iran, one of the larger countries in the Middle East, what on Earth makes you think people like me can sleep well at night when cdesign proponentists depend on these people to dictate policy on what ought to be taught in the science classroom?these and these.

About that last one, notice the reasons why people don't believe in evolution. Most of those reasons are faith based.

Back in my fundamentalist days when I was in college, some French students humiliated my fellow American christians by drawing a fairly accurate map of the world and asked us to locate regions like Scandinavia, New Zealand, etc. I sat there and watched in awe as the people who I previously thought were smart (probably because of their literacy in the bible) couldn't even point to the general direction of Scandinavia. I have to ask myself this question. Is one of the prices of being religious fundamentalist a life time of ignorance?

These are the same people who vote, mind you. If they can't even locate Iran, one of the larger countries in the Middle East, what on Earth makes you think people like me can sleep well at night when cdesign proponentists depend on these people to dictate policy on what ought to be taught in the science classroom?


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 20 of 438 (443918)
12-27-2007 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Taz
12-27-2007 1:04 PM


Re: My Personal Reaction
It at least boils my blood because the "documentary" will be shown to people like these and these and [url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=2XkgOdb8tdA]these and these.
About that last one, notice the reasons why people don't believe in evolution. Most of those reasons are faith based.[/qs][/qs]these and these.
About that last one, notice the reasons why people don't believe in evolution. Most of those reasons are faith based.[/qs]
these and these.
About that last one, notice the reasons why people don't believe in evolution. Most of those reasons are faith based.[/qs]

Unfortunately my sound card is on the fritz, so I don't have audio right now. But I read the gyst of your premise in some of the titles -- you don't want dumb Americans knowing about ID. That, in itself, seems dumb. And just to let you know, dumb and ignorant are not synonymous. There are plenty of people who are perfectly capable and intelligent, yet for one reason or another they are ill-informed, misinformed, or indifferent.

Back in my fundamentalist days when I was in college, some French students humiliated my fellow American christians by drawing a fairly accurate map of the world and asked us to locate regions like Scandinavia, New Zealand, etc. I sat there and watched in awe as the people who I previously thought were smart (probably because of their literacy in the bible) couldn't even point to the general direction of Scandinavia. I have to ask myself this question. Is one of the prices of being religious fundamentalist a life time of ignorance?

To imply that this sort of geographical ignorance is a problem rooted in Christianity is wholly unfactual. I pull any kid off the street and make a mockery of him if I wanted. While I don't personlly understand how an adult can have such a bad sense of geography, you have to remember that some people just don't care. I've always liked geography. My wife doesn't. Just yesterday she said to me, "Did you know there was a country named Mauritania?"

Why doesn't she know where Mauritania is when I did? Because she doesn't care enough about it to know. She is by no means an idiot. She's highly intelligent. One of the very first things that attracted me to her was her mental prowess.

So I think it is foolish (though under-the-gun it admittedly looks bad) to assume someone is stupid because of that.

These are the same people who vote, mind you.

Yes, I am aware. Every presidential candidate banks on the general ignorance of the public. Its why they use so many platitudes instead of, you know, explaining how they are going to accomplish said platitude.


“First dentistry was painless, then bicycles were chainless, and carriages were horseless, and many laws enforceless. Next cookery was fireless, telegraphy was wireless, cigars were nicotineless, and coffee caffeineless. Soon oranges were seedless, the putting green was weedless, the college boy was hatless, the proper diet -- fatless. New motor roads are dustless, the latest steel is rustless, our tennis courts are sodless, our new religion -- Godless” -Arthur Guiterman
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Taz
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Message 21 of 438 (443923)
12-27-2007 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Hyroglyphx
12-27-2007 2:04 PM


Re: My Personal Reaction
Nem writes:

you don't want dumb Americans knowing about ID.


You misunderstand me. They can know all they want about ID. I just think you people are evil for taking advantage of their ignorance. It's like teaching a 3 year old about religion. They don't know any better, so they believe in Hank.

To imply that this sort of geographical ignorance is a problem rooted in Christianity is wholly unfactual. I pull any kid off the street and make a mockery of him if I wanted. While I don't personlly understand how an adult can have such a bad sense of geography, you have to remember that some people just don't care. I've always liked geography. My wife doesn't. Just yesterday she said to me, "Did you know there was a country named Mauritania?"

Ditto. Some people just don't care enough to get to know the facts, but obviously they care enough to vote.

So I think it is foolish (though under-the-gun it admittedly looks bad) to assume someone is stupid because of that.

Huh? You really think it's a good idea to let people who can't locate Iran on the map to dictate geography education? If not, why do you want people who don't know what apoptosis is to dictate what goes on in the biology classroom?

The point is if ID really is valid science, stop trying to promote it among the general public and really present something in the scientific community.

Again, do you want people who can't locate New Zealand on the map to dictate what should be taught in the geography classroom? If not, why do you want people who don't know the difference between mitosis and meiosis to dictate what should be taught in the biology classroom? Why do you want people who never heard of the carnot cycle to dictate what should be taught in the physics classroom?


Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!
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Percy
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Message 22 of 438 (443957)
12-27-2007 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Hyroglyphx
12-27-2007 12:25 PM


Re: My Personal Reaction
This isn't your battle, dear. I'm sure you have your own worries, attend to them.

--Percy


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Message 23 of 438 (443967)
12-27-2007 5:16 PM
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12-27-2007 2:29 PM


Re: My Personal Reaction
I just think you people are evil for taking advantage of their ignorance.

Why do you insist that is the case? To be evil for taking advantage of impressionable young minds, one obviously has to be cognizant of the fact that they are choosing to believe in a falsehood. Is that really the case?

You really think it's a good idea to let people who can't locate Iran on the map to dictate geography education? If not, why do you want people who don't know what apoptosis is to dictate what goes on in the biology classroom?

I didn't say teach it, I said it is foolish to assume someone is stupid based on their geographical ignorance.

The point is if ID really is valid science, stop trying to promote it among the general public and really present something in the scientific community.

The point of the movie is that proponents of ID have submitted papers for peer review where they run the risk of ridicule, ousting, excommunication, etc.

Again, do you want people who can't locate New Zealand on the map to dictate what should be taught in the geography classroom? If not, why do you want people who don't know the difference between mitosis and meiosis to dictate what should be taught in the biology classroom?

Are you suggesting that someone such as Dr. Behe is so ignorant that he doesn't know what meiosis or mitosis is?

Have you ever honestly read a piece written by an avowed ID'ist? Its not exactly idiotic.


“First dentistry was painless, then bicycles were chainless, and carriages were horseless, and many laws enforceless. Next cookery was fireless, telegraphy was wireless, cigars were nicotineless, and coffee caffeineless. Soon oranges were seedless, the putting green was weedless, the college boy was hatless, the proper diet -- fatless. New motor roads are dustless, the latest steel is rustless, our tennis courts are sodless, our new religion -- Godless” -Arthur Guiterman
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Taz
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Message 24 of 438 (443986)
12-27-2007 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Hyroglyphx
12-27-2007 5:16 PM


Re: My Personal Reaction
Nem writes:

The point of the movie is that proponents of ID have submitted papers for peer review where they run the risk of ridicule, ousting, excommunication, etc.


Peer review is a rigorous process. One of my past mentors submitted revision after revision of a paper 4 times before it got published. Not every paper submitted will be published.

By the way, did you forget to read message 15 by Modulous?

Are you suggesting that someone such as Dr. Behe is so ignorant that he doesn't know what meiosis or mitosis is?

Ah, but obviously Behe isn't choosing the route of presenting scientific evidence to the scientific community. He hasn't published anything for years. Instead, he's been going around trying to tell people that the god of abraham was responsible for all life on Earth.

Again, if ID really is valid science, then at least try to make it look like valid science. Instead, we see ID being promoted directly to the general public, the same general public that believe scientists are a bunch of dumbasses.

Have you ever honestly read a piece written by an avowed ID'ist? Its not exactly idiotic.

You misunderstand me. I am not saying cdesign proponentists are idiots. I am saying they are trying to promote their idea to idiots instead of submitting it to the right people to be criticized.

Again, why appeal to people who can't place Iceland on an unmarked map or know what the processes of mitosis involve? Cdesign proponentists really ought to be conducting experiments and present genuine data to be reviewed. I'm not talking about just 1 or 2 papers. I'm talking about research after research after research. If ID is valid science, then show us that it is rather than trying to appeal to the ignorant masses of religious fundamentalists and republicans.

Added by edit.

By the way, I'm a physicist not a biologist. That link of yours I don't feel I have the expertise to comment on. Since you're all-knowing in every field of science known to man, perhaps you'd like to outline to me what that paper says?

Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

Edited by Taz, : Fixing a bug.


Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!
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Message 25 of 438 (443989)
12-27-2007 6:06 PM
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Dadaist posting
Is there some deeper meaning to the repetitive nature of this post or is it just FUBAR?

*ABE* Pay no mind to me, I see you were on the casee.

TTFN,

AW

Edited by AdminWounded, : No reason given.


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Message 26 of 438 (443991)
12-27-2007 6:11 PM
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12-27-2007 5:59 PM


Re: My Personal Reaction
By the way, I'm a physicist not a biologist. That link of yours I don't feel I have the expertise to comment on.

Lemme help you out, Taz.

The first sentence of the abstract:

In spite of an enormous amount of genetic flux in plants and animals, the basic genetic processes and major molecular traits are believed to have persisted essentially unchanged for more than three-and-a-half billion years, and the molecular mechanisms of animal ontogenesis for more than one billion years.

Wrong.

Perhaps Juggs would like to defend this load of horseshit.


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Taz
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Message 27 of 438 (443992)
12-27-2007 6:12 PM
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12-27-2007 6:06 PM


Re: Dadaist posting
It's a bug. It has happened to several people I know. I still haven't got a clue how it happens yet.

On another note, I thought repetition would eventually pound some sense into him :p


Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!
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Message 28 of 438 (443994)
12-27-2007 6:20 PM
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12-27-2007 5:59 PM


Re: My Personal Reaction
Have you recently been transferred to the Department of Redundancy Department? :D

I'm far less concerned about creationists like NJ than I am about the American public. Almost all documentaries receive very little attention, and maybe that will be the case here, but if it isn't then it raises the very real danger of a kneejerk political reaction in the face of an outraged populous. What will be the response of the scientific community? Will they send out Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and Daniel Dennet (Brights???) to further alienate the masses? Is a measured response that makes clear why ID isn't science why this is the ID community's fault within the ability of the scientific community? I'm frankly very worried.

--Percy


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Message 29 of 438 (443998)
12-27-2007 6:23 PM
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12-27-2007 5:16 PM


Re: My Personal Reaction
Have you ever honestly read a piece written by an avowed ID'ist? Its [sic] not exactly idiotic.

Well, perhaps it's not idiotic. It is very poorly written. And, given that it includes the following:

quote:
The significance and origin of irreducibly complex systems in biology

A first hint for answering the questions raised in last paragraph is perhaps also provided by Charles Darwin himself when he suggested the following sufficiency test for his theory [16]: “If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.” Darwin, however, stated that he could “not find out such a case” – which would, in fact, have invalidated his theory. Biochemist Michael J. Behe [5] has refined Darwin's statement by introducing and defining his concept of "irreducibly complex systems", specifying: “By irreducibly complex I mean a single system composed of several well-matched, interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, wherein the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease functioning.”


it's obviously written by someone with only a passing acquaintance with biology.


Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat


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Message 30 of 438 (444002)
12-27-2007 6:36 PM
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12-27-2007 6:20 PM


Re: My Personal Reaction
Percy writes:

I'm frankly very worried.


Well, we always have Canada to immigrate to if push comes to shove.

Will they send out Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and Daniel Dennet (Brights???) to further alienate the masses?

Richard and Daniel might further alienate the masses, but I think Sam Harris will be able to give a measured response.

Have you recently been transferred to the Department of Redundancy Department?

Hey, it's your software. Just be thankful I'm not screwing with the theads, and mind you I still have several tricks up my sleeves.

I'm far less concerned about creationists like NJ than I am about the American public.

Well... I'm kinda split on this one. I think creationists like NJ and the American public can do an equal amount of damage to modern science. NJ seems to be very literate in the art of writing long paragraphs of bullshit that look and smell like chicken. The American public can do an equal amount of damage because they vote.

Frankly, I don't know which one I'd rather sleep with if a gun is pressed against my head.


Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!
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