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obvious Child
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Message 31 of 241 (444005)
12-27-2007 6:44 PM
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12-26-2007 6:44 PM


Re: The real threat to humanity are End Time Believers
I take it you believe that the end of the world is a self fulfilling prophecy? We believe it will occur, therefore we bring it about?
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jar
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Message 32 of 241 (444006)
12-27-2007 6:50 PM
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12-27-2007 6:44 PM


Re: The real threat to humanity are End Time Believers
I take it you believe that the end of the world is a self fulfilling prophecy? We believe it will occur, therefore we bring it about?

Absolutely. Only the US really has the ability to actually wipe out mankind and the only realistic scenario for that is the literal Armageddon.


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obvious Child
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Message 33 of 241 (444011)
12-27-2007 8:03 PM
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12-27-2007 6:50 PM


Re: The real threat to humanity are End Time Believers
so what's the plan jar?

You're from Texas no? How about we start at a state level and go from there?


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tesla
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Message 34 of 241 (444015)
12-27-2007 8:14 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by jar
12-27-2007 5:03 PM


i agree
we have the information and the ability to avoid some natural disasters.

the problem is : money vs life.

until the problem is "proven" to exist in the lifetime of those in the position to make the necessary changes through politics, special interest groups like big oil are keeping the problems from being solved.

(at least in the case of global warming, this is pretty much a quote from Senator McCain when asked about the issue)

i think that the government can make pushes towards green energies, but that the pushes there idealizing are too expensive for the consumer.

for example, putting even stricter emission requirements on vehicles. now..this drives the cost of production up, and green emission vehicles are still too expensive to make available to the greater public.

bio-diesel/electric engine in California, rated at 100 miles to the gallon on bio-diesel fuel, in an older heavy vehicle. engine cost: $30,000

making this engine available in new market vehicles with a price range of 5-7 thousand dollars WOULD slow down global warming and solve a lot of the energy problems in this country.

but..HOW does a government endorse the production of such an engine at low enough prices that it could be afforded?

there are many other potential "end of the world" scenarios, and all of the ones that we the people of this planet are aware of, need to start seriously thinking of how they can be avoided, and once a solution is found, bring awareness via the media, and pressure the government into implementing whatever is necessary.

ie: if the government introduced a new tax (i know, we're taxed to death as it is, but it IS for the future of the planet) the tax was a weekly deduction of one dollar from each paycheck, and all the money was sent to a car factory, for the specific use to produce bio-diesel electric engined cars and sell them at 3-7k dollars.

say the car costs the factory 17,000, for a suggested 7k model, the government pays the $10,000 with the tax money.

now i'm not a politician, but i am trying to find a solution.

anyone think this could work? or have any other ideas?

Edited by AdminPhat, : spellcheck


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jar
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Message 35 of 241 (444016)
12-27-2007 8:16 PM
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12-27-2007 8:03 PM


Re: The real threat to humanity are End Time Believers
Well the State level is unlikely to actually be in a position to start a nuclear war, at least for awhile.

As is so often the case, education is the answer. We need to question things that look like they might lead to nuclear war. In particular over the next few decades, we need to question any involvement in the middle east and particularly our support for Israel. We need to know the beliefs and positions of those senior members of the Executive Branch and of the Legislative as well as the military commanders.

While the US is the biggest threat to humanity, it is not the only such threat. Pakistan is also a nuclear power involved in a continuing dispute with India, yet another nuclear power. They are also in a position of having an unstable government.

Iran as a nuclear power would also be a threat, but in that case, the outcome would depend on US reactions should Iran get involved with Israel.


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tesla
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Message 36 of 241 (444017)
12-27-2007 8:22 PM
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12-27-2007 6:50 PM


Re: The real threat to humanity are End Time Believers
i type to slow..the convo turned fast, i dont beleive that end time believers do any more damge now than they did 2000 years ago and started burning rome.

i do beleive that extremists gruops being tought that the more they kill, the better off they will be in heaven..THAT could wipe out the planet..

but the topic is the "real" threat to humanity. it isnt end time beleivers..its EVERYone. man itself.

its the ones who turn a blind eye.

its the ones who can help,but who wont help because it doesnt add to their pockets.

its the ones who are always looking at a person by their skin color, or region, or different religion, or different political standing.

its people thinking about number one, self gratification, and so big in their own minds the world is stupid, so they dont even try to make it better.

the real threat to humanity, is humanity.

but we can also save it.


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jar
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Message 37 of 241 (444018)
12-27-2007 8:23 PM
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12-27-2007 8:14 PM


Mostly nonsense.
You need to take a look at reality.


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jar
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Message 38 of 241 (444020)
12-27-2007 8:27 PM
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12-27-2007 8:22 PM


Re: The real threat to humanity are End Time Believers
You need to take a look at reality. Like your last post this one is mostly a mixture of myth and innuendo.

i type to slow..the convo turned fast, i dont beleive that end time believers do any more damge now than they did 2000 years ago and started burning rome.

Myth, never happened.

i do beleive that extremists gruops being tought that the more they kill, the better off they will be in heaven..THAT could wipe out the planet..

Myth, they do not have the capability to do much, except for those who are in positions of power like the President of the US and the US Christians that believe in their own End Time myths.


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tesla
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Message 39 of 241 (444021)
12-27-2007 8:32 PM
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12-27-2007 8:16 PM


Re: The real threat to humanity are End Time Believers
russia is the current weakest link in nuclear grade plutonium. because corruption is high. dick cheny has made it his number one priority to research the worlds plutonium levels and possible losses.

the US built enough nuclear bombs to destroy the world times over in a three year arms race with russia.

but both countries have a very strict eye on those caches. the leak is only potentialy through corruption.

other countries arnt so suavy, and dictators are unpredictable enough that they will use them. where as our dimplomatic process prevents that kind of descision by one individual.

to prevent nuclear mayhem: the leage of nations, or other world ewide endorsed watchdog gruop needs to monitor al sales buying of rodes and b able to inspect all facilities of nuclear fission to ensure none is weapons grade material. nations not in compliance need worldwide consequence of invasion and dismantaling. only then could we be remotly safe, and its what the world has tried to do.


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tesla
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Message 40 of 241 (444022)
12-27-2007 8:36 PM
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12-27-2007 8:27 PM


Re: The real threat to humanity are End Time Believers
Myth, they do not have the capability to do much, except for those who are in positions of power like the President of the US and the US Christians that believe in their own End Time myths.
(quote from jar)

they did 9/11. to assume they have no power is naive.

pakistan if it was to get its hands on nuclear weapins im pretty sure they allow an extremist to play with it.

and as far as us christians, they do not preach that people should prepare for armegadon by acting on warfare. they preach goodwill towards men in preperation of their souls.

Edited by tesla, : No reason given.


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jar
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Message 41 of 241 (444023)
12-27-2007 8:36 PM
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12-27-2007 8:32 PM


Re: The real threat to humanity are End Time Believers
to prevent nuclear mayhem: the leage of nations, ...

Huh?

Sorry, the only nation that actually has the capability to be a threat to humanity is the US.


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jar
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Message 42 of 241 (444024)
12-27-2007 8:38 PM
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12-27-2007 8:36 PM


Re: The real threat to humanity are End Time Believers
they did 9/11. to assume they have no power is naive.

I'm sorry but 9-11 was not a threat to mankind.

pakistan if it was to get its hands on nuclear weapins im pretty sure they allow an extremist to play with it.

I'm sorry but Pakistan IS a nuclear power.

Please stop for a moment and actually touch reality.


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tesla
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Message 43 of 241 (444025)
12-27-2007 8:40 PM
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12-27-2007 8:36 PM


Re: The real threat to humanity are End Time Believers
lol now whos being funny?

the US does not have half the power the world thinks it does.

if china wanted the united states to fall, it would fall.


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tesla
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Message 44 of 241 (444026)
12-27-2007 8:42 PM
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12-27-2007 8:38 PM


Re: The real threat to humanity are End Time Believers
9/11 proved intent. all they need is a bigger weapon and they will use it.

think logicaly.


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jar
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Message 45 of 241 (444027)
12-27-2007 8:49 PM
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12-27-2007 8:42 PM


Re: The real threat to humanity are End Time Believers
Yes, stop and think logically.

Look at Japan post WWII.

Is Japan gone?

Look at almost every European city after WWII.

Is Germany gone?

We are talking about a threat to mankind and the US is the only significant threat to mankind.


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