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Author Topic:   Global Futurism. A discussion of impending issues
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Message 11 of 241 (443652)
12-26-2007 9:16 AM
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12-26-2007 9:11 AM


The real threat to humanity are End Time Believers
The real threat to humanity are religious believers in End Time Prophecy whether they are Christian End Time believers or Muslim End Time believers.

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Message 15 of 241 (443791)
12-26-2007 6:44 PM
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12-26-2007 6:33 PM


Re: The real threat to humanity are End Time Believers
The answer is transparency, education and wisdom.
We need to discuss why End Time Believers are a threat and figure out ways to keep them from being in positions of authority.

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jar
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Message 24 of 241 (443893)
12-27-2007 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Hyroglyphx
12-27-2007 11:47 AM


Re: How it turned out.
The key thing to remember is that some people took his predictions seriously enough to actually try to ameliorate the consequences, led in particular by the Rockefeller and Ford Foundations. It was the development of high yield crops spurred directly by the recognition that Malthus' predictions were accurate that provided the breathing space we have seen so far.
The problem is that in addition to higher yield crops, the Green Revolution also relied on higher energy inputs per yield. That is the key issue facing us today, the availability and cost of the energy required to sustain the high yield production.
It is only because Malthus predictions were accurate, and that people realized his predictions were accurate and then acted based on those predictions that we have been able to sustain the population growth so far.
Unless we respond to the issues presented by Global Warming in the same way that we responded to Malthus predictions by taking them seriously and investing in the steps needed to ameliorate the consequences, we cannot expect to see similar results.
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Message 25 of 241 (443896)
12-27-2007 12:06 PM
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12-27-2007 1:32 AM


Re: The real threat to humanity are Environmentalists
Actually I happen to agree that the process of banning DDT was handled poorly, however the Environmentalists do not have the potential for destroying all human life on this planet as the End Time Believers do.

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Message 27 of 241 (443898)
12-27-2007 12:19 PM
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12-27-2007 12:12 PM


The real threat to humanity is Ignorance.
If you start that thread, it will be a pleasure to help expose the right-wing, industry-driven revisionist history of DDT and its hazards. We can look at the lies and the liars who tell them.
In particular we can point out that it was the large scale agricultural spraying of DDT that was banned and that it is still not just legal, but recommended by WHO for indoor and small scale use in endemic areas.
The World Health Organization (WHO) currently advises the use of DDT to combat malaria in endemic areas. For instance, DDT-spraying the interior walls of living spaces, where mosquitoes land, is an effective control. The WHO also recommends a series of alternative insecticides (such as the pyrethroids permethrin and deltamethrin) to both combat malaria in areas where mosquitoes are DDT-resistant, and to slow the evolution of resistance. This public health use of small amounts of DDT is permitted under the Stockholm Convention on Persistent Organic Pollutants (POPs), which prohibits the agricultural use of DDT for large-scale field spraying.
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jar
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Message 30 of 241 (443962)
12-27-2007 5:03 PM
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12-27-2007 4:04 PM


Purge?
Maybe its just our time to go and Mother Earth is purging us out of existence.
If we ignore the futurists, then sure, very likely.
But that is up to us. As long as we don't accept the End Time bullshit, we may well be able to continue. The key though is to recognize and prepare for the problems we will face.
One point is to acknowledge that we are dependent on irrigation, genetic crops, high energy input farming and fertilizers.
We need to understand the question of water availability as well as the problems of salt accumulation and soil depletion and subsidence.
We need to understand what the effects of higher energy costs for both production and distribution of foodstuffs will be.
We need to understand the full life cycle of the fertilizers.
We need to understand how being dependent on limited number and variety of crops sources can effect us.
As long as we waste effort debating who instead of addressing what, purge is a definite possibility.

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Message 32 of 241 (444006)
12-27-2007 6:50 PM
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12-27-2007 6:44 PM


Re: The real threat to humanity are End Time Believers
I take it you believe that the end of the world is a self fulfilling prophecy? We believe it will occur, therefore we bring it about?
Absolutely. Only the US really has the ability to actually wipe out mankind and the only realistic scenario for that is the literal Armageddon.

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Message 35 of 241 (444016)
12-27-2007 8:16 PM
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12-27-2007 8:03 PM


Re: The real threat to humanity are End Time Believers
Well the State level is unlikely to actually be in a position to start a nuclear war, at least for awhile.
As is so often the case, education is the answer. We need to question things that look like they might lead to nuclear war. In particular over the next few decades, we need to question any involvement in the middle east and particularly our support for Israel. We need to know the beliefs and positions of those senior members of the Executive Branch and of the Legislative as well as the military commanders.
While the US is the biggest threat to humanity, it is not the only such threat. Pakistan is also a nuclear power involved in a continuing dispute with India, yet another nuclear power. They are also in a position of having an unstable government.
Iran as a nuclear power would also be a threat, but in that case, the outcome would depend on US reactions should Iran get involved with Israel.

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Message 37 of 241 (444018)
12-27-2007 8:23 PM
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12-27-2007 8:14 PM


Mostly nonsense.
You need to take a look at reality.

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Message 38 of 241 (444020)
12-27-2007 8:27 PM
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12-27-2007 8:22 PM


Re: The real threat to humanity are End Time Believers
You need to take a look at reality. Like your last post this one is mostly a mixture of myth and innuendo.
i type to slow..the convo turned fast, i dont beleive that end time believers do any more damge now than they did 2000 years ago and started burning rome.
Myth, never happened.
i do beleive that extremists gruops being tought that the more they kill, the better off they will be in heaven..THAT could wipe out the planet..
Myth, they do not have the capability to do much, except for those who are in positions of power like the President of the US and the US Christians that believe in their own End Time myths.

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Message 41 of 241 (444023)
12-27-2007 8:36 PM
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12-27-2007 8:32 PM


Re: The real threat to humanity are End Time Believers
to prevent nuclear mayhem: the leage of nations, ...
Huh?
Sorry, the only nation that actually has the capability to be a threat to humanity is the US.

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Message 42 of 241 (444024)
12-27-2007 8:38 PM
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12-27-2007 8:36 PM


Re: The real threat to humanity are End Time Believers
they did 9/11. to assume they have no power is naive.
I'm sorry but 9-11 was not a threat to mankind.
pakistan if it was to get its hands on nuclear weapins im pretty sure they allow an extremist to play with it.
I'm sorry but Pakistan IS a nuclear power.
Please stop for a moment and actually touch reality.

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Message 45 of 241 (444027)
12-27-2007 8:49 PM
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12-27-2007 8:42 PM


Re: The real threat to humanity are End Time Believers
Yes, stop and think logically.
Look at Japan post WWII.
Is Japan gone?
Look at almost every European city after WWII.
Is Germany gone?
We are talking about a threat to mankind and the US is the only significant threat to mankind.

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jar
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Message 48 of 241 (444030)
12-27-2007 9:07 PM
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12-27-2007 9:00 PM


Re: The real threat to humanity are End Time Believers
The most likely scenario is an Islamic Fundamentalist group taking over Pakistan leading to an attack not on India, (except perhaps as a distraction), but rather on Israel followed by the US responding.
The real threat is the US getting dragged into a middle east exchange that goes nuclear. Unfortunately, Israel is and will likely remain the most volatile trigger for some time.

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Message 54 of 241 (444095)
12-28-2007 10:23 AM
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12-28-2007 2:49 AM


The real issue is identifying threats and acting on them.
As always the solution to problems is knowledge. Only the US actually has the means to destroy mankind, so it is wise to identify those who might misuse that capability. We know that the US can and does misuse that capability, for example with a President who says God told him to invade Iraq.

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