mike the wiz responds to me:
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well i dont recall being 'touchy' or 'feely' or saying that i was
Weren't you the one talking about "equal representation"?
You're acting as if the reason creationism is not taken seriously within scientific circles is because scientists are all scared or have some sort of personal vendetta against it.
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and if you want to have a by jove class full of one siders all supporting each other good for you
Since when is science an endeavour of "supporting each other"?
Have you ever tried to get published? It's extremely difficult. You submit your work to people who do everything they can to tear it to shreds and find things wrong with it. What haven't you supported this claim of yours? Why haven't you taken this into account? Where do you deal with this latest discovery?
And when you do get past this gauntlet which is peer review, it is still not over for even more people will read your work and write their own papers that tear down what you spent so long and worked so hard to build.
In science, if you destroy the dominant paradigm, they hand you the Nobel Prize.
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but i think kids should not be taught what to think but how to think,
Precisely.
And creationism does not come with a methodology. It is simply an "accept it because this book says it's true" statement.
Tell us, how would you conduct an experiment in biology class to demonstration creation ex nihilo? There are plenty of experiments you can do to show evolution happening right in front of your nose. I've described a couple of them. You can take bacteria that are lac- and watch them evolve into lac+ bacteria. Even better, you can do a double-evolution experiment showing the beginnings of an "arms race" whereby you take K-type bacteria and T4 phage and watch the bacteria mutate to K/4 bacteria to ward off the phage and then the phage mutate to T4h phage to get past the bacteria's defenses.
We can take the kids to the local museum of natural history where we can have them touch actual fossils. When they get to college level, we can actually show them how to do radiometric dating of strata.
Science is all hands on.
How do you propose to demonstrate "let there be light"?
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creation is self evident to many
Irrelevant.
The sun goes around the earth is self-evident to many, too.
Should we teach a geocentric solar system just to give "equal representation"?
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and even if the teaching is there just to be laughed at then fine,
No, not fine.
It is not fine to laugh at someone's beliefs.
It most certainly is not fine to waste time in class to cover a topic where the only point is to show that it is wrong without it showing how the process by which we showed it to be wrong leads us to a more accurate system.
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as long as the kids get the chance, the problem is scientists think they own science
Who else would? Your tax attorney? Do you really think that a person who has never seen the inside of a physics laboratory in 20 years is qualified to teach students about the wave nature of light and then segue into the particle nature of light and show how the two natures are dealt with in modern photon theory?
Yes, scientists own science because the people who do science are scientists.
You don't go to your tax attorney for information about heart disease, even though he's a smart guy. You don't ask the woman who fixes your car and can tell just by listening that the timing of the spark plugs is off (and by how much) whether or not now is a good time to buy T-bills.
The thing is, anybody can join the club. All you have to do is follow the scientific method: Observe, hypothesize, test, analyse, repeat. That's all you have to do. There is no magic involved. All it takes is the discipline to stick it through and start at the beginning.
There is no royal road to science, but there is no toll, either.
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wheras ofcourse God does as he invented it.
And who are you to say how god did it?
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the evos are far too scared of creationists to let them into their club!
Yeah, right.
So why is Fermat such an important name in mathematics even though he wasn't a professional mathematician? Why are so many discoveries in astronomy made by amateurs with no more sophisticated equipment than a good reflector and a geosynchronous mount?
Simple: Anybody can do science.
But the catch is, it has to be
science.
There was a girl in the fourth grade who got written up in the
Journal of the American Medical Association, the premiere medical journal in the United States, regarding a study on "therapeutic touch" and how there does not seem to be any evidence for its existence.
Fourth grade. That would put her at about 9 years old.
If she can do it, why can't you?
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