Global Futurism. A discussion of impending issues

thats not true.even if the us was to dismantle every single nuclear weapoin, and convert all moterized transport to biodeisel (grown carbons, not mined)china would still be produceing emmisions. just like all the other countries.jar, the united states is a part of the equation, but with its goverment being limited to several gruops like congress and the house of represenatives to restrict the actions of any president (and do) and especially since americans essentially cannot agree in unity on almost any topic, shows only this rule:that the greatest threat that the united states poses to world annihlation , is inaction.(however not the only threat, but definatly the greatest.)

I'm not following your reasoning. The US had far more religiously active leaders in the past, especially when we had nukes on targeted hair trigger and we're still here. What makes you think that the future will be different with the US? After all, there's currently a huge backlash against religious fundies across the nation.Even if Pakistan managed to reconstitute its nuclear weapons (Pakistan's military keeps the components separate in places across the country), a exchange with India wouldn't end life on the planet. Sure it would make life pretty awful for the rest of us, but it wouldn't be the end.

The most likely scenario is an Islamic Fundamentalist group taking over Pakistan leading to an attack not on India, (except perhaps as a distraction), but rather on Israel followed by the US responding.The real threat is the US getting dragged into a middle east exchange that goes nuclear. Unfortunately, Israel is and will likely remain the most volatile trigger for some time.

---

Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

im inclined to agree with you, obvios, in that statement.

Maybe, but Pakistan's hatred has always been geared towards India first and then Israel. They've fought three wars, with the last one almost going nuclear. I'm having a hard time believing they'd use one of their few nukes on Israel rather then on India. Plus Israel has more then enough nukes to turn Pakistan into a radioactive waste. The US wouldn't be necessary, unlike a MAD defense for a country like Britain who's nukes were less the the number necessary to completely eliminate the USSR.I think the bigger problem is the long term decline in American education leading to the country becoming a 3rd world power and a politician using that fear to start some ****.

Yet again, Tal has his facts wrong and shows how biased and partisan he is.And, as is usual, he will never acknowledge that he had incomplete information and was wrong, will probably run away from this thread, and will just pop back in at a later time with more half-baked, wrong information from yet another lying right-wing website.The lack of integrity in one of our members of the armed forced is both embarrasing and disturbing to me as an American.

quote:

---

i dont beleive that end time believers do any more damge now than they did 2000 years ago and started burning rome.

---

Even when the Commander in Chief of the US armed forces is one?

yes, even when the commander in cheif is one.beleiveing that the world will come to an end or thayt we are in the end times, does not mean that the beleivers are going to commit suicide.most end time beleivers beleive that preperation for the end time means prayer and self improvment.i think there are issues that the planet is faceing that are easy to see without looking to divine assistance. and that they can be avoided, or at least prolonged, so that time would be allowed for preperation to lessen the impact.

As always the solution to problems is knowledge. Only the US actually has the means to destroy mankind, so it is wise to identify those who might misuse that capability. We know that the US can and does misuse that capability, for example with a President who says God told him to invade Iraq.

---

Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

tesla Ah., nothing like the constant insistence on an inevitability to make for a self-fulfilling prophecy.

as long as you focus on their insistance and ignore the storm about to smack humanity, we as a human race will only prove them right.global warming is the greatest proven threat that is going to hurt the planet and the human race.just because the chicken keeps saying the sky is falling dont mean we stare at the chiken at point fingers at it when something does go wrong.i beleive we need to seriosly think about what is an actual threat and leave the chicken alone.i dont beleive the religeos should abandon their religeons in order to be helpful in the correction of mankinds mistakes. as long as the religeon does not condone attempting to destroy the planet in response to its inevitable demise.

tesla The storm is not about to smack humanity,Humanity is the storm. We are ,each of us, the trouble that this planet faces. However, when we have a cultural mindset wherein religious doctrine views us as in dominion over nature and all that is in it rather than as caretakers then we shall not deal with the matters at hand.
If the people of the world live with the conviction that the world is ending and that this is a good thing, pray tell, how much effort do you belive will be made to halt the damage being carried out?

i dont follow;humanity is the storm:rather, the actions of humanity is the storm.religeous or not, when an army is standing at a countries border, the country reacts. even as we now foresee the impending global climate changes that are affecting the planet , we must act.a man who prays and teaches others to pray and self improve, is not as dangerous as teaching humanity to give up on their God or Gods. the hope and inspirations in religeon have added to, not taken away from mankind.a man without hope is dangerous. a people without hope is catestrophic.

The issue is whether or not the storm can be prevented by our actions and behavior. The problem with fundamentalists is that they presuppose that their interpretations of the book must be the only possible scenario and thus become part of a Self-fulfilling prophecy.

yes but the storm is relative to the return of christ, or God.if the sun has not blackend over, the coming danger is not yet here. since it seems to be a recuring theme.years ago, as wars broke out and many claimed "the end was near" did not prevent the people from reacting to nutural dangers that threaten humanity.the belief that the world would end in 1999 did not cause the world to end in 1999.but if masses beleive that belief alone will result in the end of life, then by their inaction to present dangers will claim humanity.recognizing the danger of inaction, the cost of inaction needs to be relayed, and the world being aware, begin to take action to prevent the disaster. and if history repeats itself, action will be taken.when the flood came, boats were built. when the cold comes, fires need to be stoked.so what threats are real, because an imagined danger is not going to rally but a small portion of mankind. remember, mankind has shown that they agree on very little, and this lack of unity is what prevents with ease that the "beleif" of the end will cause it, since most people will begin arguments with no winner in such a debate.Edited by tesla, : No reason given.