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Author Topic:   Global Futurism. A discussion of impending issues
tesla
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Message 76 of 241 (444189)
12-28-2007 3:02 PM
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12-28-2007 2:48 PM


Re: The problems with Biofuels
if it wasnt for global warming biodeisel would be perfect.
farmers grow by profitability: supply versus demand. biodeiesel is based on a renewable energy scource as opposed to non renewable.
we could grow the base products in america, and american energy dollars would go to america, and not billions to oversea countries.
its not a very good solution over all tho. (as bio pointed out) there still has to be something better.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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sidelined
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Message 77 of 241 (444191)
12-28-2007 3:07 PM
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12-28-2007 2:48 PM


Re: The problems with Biofuels
jar
Now if we could get the US to put large sums into producing fusion energy then providing it can be done the problems are pretty much taken care of. With enough generating capacity we would be able to convert most of our power requirement in vehicles to electrical and use the fossil fuels and alternates for aircraft and other such items. In fact I believe air travel is probably the first technology that will get the boot down the road as fossil fuels get scarce. Unless a way can be found to use electrical generation for thrust.

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tesla
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Message 78 of 241 (444192)
12-28-2007 3:09 PM
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12-28-2007 3:07 PM


Re: The problems with Biofuels
well said sidelined.
but how difficult is it for biodeisel to be used as jet fuel?
if jet fuel and deisel is as similiar as ive read, the solution of flight is also in bio fuels.
Edited by tesla, : can i just turn my signature on permanant?

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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sidelined
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Message 79 of 241 (444193)
12-28-2007 3:13 PM
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12-28-2007 3:09 PM


Re: The problems with Biofuels
tesla
I think another area that could do with funding is the use of biological structures to replace plastics and to use biochemistry on pollutants to break them down into useful items and thereby reduce their toxicity in the environment.

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tesla
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Message 80 of 241 (444198)
12-28-2007 3:21 PM
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12-28-2007 3:13 PM


Re: The problems with Biofuels
i agree.
there needs to be more awarness before funding can be aknoledged as not a waste.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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obvious Child
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Message 81 of 241 (444256)
12-28-2007 7:28 PM
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12-28-2007 10:23 AM


Re: The real issue is identifying threats and acting on them.
Be that as it may, our history doesn't support that notion. US presidents in the past have been far more religious then Dubya is. Also, Russia has enough nukes to destroy the world.

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molbiogirl
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Message 82 of 241 (444258)
12-28-2007 7:31 PM
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12-28-2007 7:28 PM


Re: The real issue is identifying threats and acting on them.
Be that as it may, our history doesn't support that notion. US presidents in the past have been far more religious then Dubya is.
I'm calling bullshit on this one.
You need to back up that bare assertion.

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jar
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Message 83 of 241 (444259)
12-28-2007 7:31 PM
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12-28-2007 7:28 PM


Re: The real issue is identifying threats and acting on them.
It is not a matter of religion, it is the Belief in the End Times prophecy. Also, it has only been since post Kennedy that we actually had the capability to destroy mankind.

Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

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obvious Child
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Message 84 of 241 (444268)
12-28-2007 7:50 PM
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12-28-2007 7:31 PM


Re: The real issue is identifying threats and acting on them.
Dwight D. Eisenhower for crying out loud added under God, added God to the legal tender, was the only baptized, confirmed, and became a communicant president, and cited God in various WWII letters. True that Eisenhower was far more intelligent then Dubya, but that's the issue here.
McKinley justified the occupation of the Philippines on Christanity.
Plus Dubya's religion is real questionable.
He's flip flopped on abortion, especially when it came to the presidential campaign
http://www.commondreams.org/views/061600-104.htm
His anti-homosexual views are even more questionable as he railed against homosexual marriage and after 2004, he did absolutely nothing to pass legislation banning it.
And his governor campaign hardly uses scripture or biblical arguments or even cited religion. He lost to a candidate who argued that Dubya was a liberal, secularist, elitist.
So the real question is does bush actually believe or is he using it as a tool for votes? It wouldn't be the first time a politician whored himself on religion for votes.
Page not found – Rolling Stone

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obvious Child
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Message 85 of 241 (444271)
12-28-2007 7:53 PM
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12-28-2007 7:31 PM


Re: The real issue is identifying threats and acting on them.
But do we know that Bush actually believes in that or is merely using religion to get votes?
I suppose we could argue purely on capabilities, but if we did that, we would have to argue we should be dead right now.

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tesla
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Message 86 of 241 (444272)
12-28-2007 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by obvious Child
12-28-2007 7:50 PM


Re: The real issue is identifying threats and acting on them.
lol it would be a smart politcal card.
what would happen if a fairly large nuclear bomb was released in the stratosphere?

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jar
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Message 87 of 241 (444275)
12-28-2007 7:57 PM
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12-28-2007 7:53 PM


Re: The real issue is identifying threats and acting on them.
But do we know that Bush actually believes in that or is merely using religion to get votes?
Why take the chance? Just keep the nutjobs away from positions of authority?

Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

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Message 88 of 241 (444280)
12-28-2007 8:06 PM
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12-28-2007 7:55 PM


Re: The real issue is identifying threats and acting on them.
I suppose, but you turn off a large amount of moderate voters as well as every secular person out there.
How big are we talking about?
The Tsar Bomba was around 50mt
Tsar Bomba - Wikipedia
From what I hear, it's actually pointless to build a huge air burst bomb as allegedly at some point, most of the explosive force is channeled up, and away from the target. It's more practical to build alot of little nukes and pelt the area.

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obvious Child
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Message 89 of 241 (444282)
12-28-2007 8:08 PM
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12-28-2007 7:57 PM


Re: The real issue is identifying threats and acting on them.
But based on his history, Dubya wasn't a nutjob. Only after starting to think about the presidential election did he start to use religion, and even now I have problems accepting he's anything more then just incompetent. IMO, that's just a whoring tool for votes. And how do we remove people who do turn into nutjobs after gaining the presidency?
Remember that Iraq was Wolfitz's idea. Not dubya's. And that Rove was the source for many ideas, not Dubya. He just seems like a incompetent moron who just does what his advisers tell him to do, not a nutjob threat who comes up with crazy ideas on his own.
Edited by obvious Child, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 90 of 241 (444284)
12-28-2007 8:11 PM
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12-28-2007 8:08 PM


Re: The real issue is identifying threats and acting on them.
But based on his history, Dubya wasn't a nutjob.
Sure he was.
And how do we remove people who do turn into nutjobs after gaining the presidency?
Impeach their ass.

Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

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