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Topic: Global Futurism. A discussion of impending issues
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molbiogirl
Member (Idle past 2660 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: 06-06-2007
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Re: The real issue is identifying threats and acting on them.
Dwight D. Eisenhower for crying out loud added under God, added God to the legal tender, was the only baptized, confirmed, and became a communicant president, and cited God in various WWII letters. True that Eisenhower was far more intelligent then Dubya, but that's the issue here. First. I would like to you support your assertion that Ike was the ONLY president who was baptized/confirmed/communicant. This is VERY unlikely. Second. Mentioning god in a letter qualifies as "more religious"? If that's the case, then EVERY President is guilty. Third. Adding "under God" in an era of Mccarthyism hardly qualifies as a religious move by Ike.
McKinley justified the occupation of the Philippines on Christanity. Both Blair and Bush justified the Iraq invasion in the name of god.
When asked about sending troops to Iraq, he said: "That decision has to be taken and has to be lived with, and in the end there is a judgment that -- well, I think if you have faith about these things then you realize that judgment is made by other people," he said. Asked to explain what he meant, Blair replied: "If you believe in God, it's made by God as well." CNN.com - Blair: God will judge Iraq war - Mar 4, 2006
So the real question is does bush actually believe or is he using it as a tool for votes? You've just nullified the entire argument for any President.
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obvious Child
Member (Idle past 4134 days) Posts: 661 Joined: 08-17-2006
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Re: The real issue is identifying threats and acting on them.
You misread it, he was the only one to have all three at the same time in office,, not the only president who had all three at some point in their life.
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Second. Mentioning god in a letter qualifies as "more religious"? If that's the case, then EVERY President is guilty.
Have you even read any of those letters? Especially those to the 101st?
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Both Blair and Bush justified the Iraq invasion in the name of god.
Can you read? Blair did not justify it in the name of God. Blair stated that his decision will be judged by people and by God. Not that God told him to do it.
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You've just nullified the entire argument for any President.
That was the point. Just because we have a religious president doesn't mean the world will end.
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obvious Child
Member (Idle past 4134 days) Posts: 661 Joined: 08-17-2006
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Message 93 of 241 (444290)
12-28-2007 8:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 90 by jar
12-28-2007 8:11 PM
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Re: The real issue is identifying threats and acting on them.
Based on what? Virtually all of the crap that people hammer Bush on came after he openly started his campaign. Do you have evidence that he was a crazy before the election trail? Note, this doesn't mean he wasn't incompetent before. Anyone who looks at this time at the Rangers can figure out that man cannot be trusted with any amount of money.
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Impeach their ass.
You can't impeach someone for being a crazy. Nor for stupidity!
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jar
Member (Idle past 413 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: The real issue is identifying threats and acting on them.
You can impeach them for being unable to carry out the duties of their position. AbE: But as I have said throughout this and other threads, the important thing is knowledge. Simply do not elect or appoint anyone who believes in End Time Prophecy to any position of authority. Edited by jar, : No reason given.
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obvious Child
Member (Idle past 4134 days) Posts: 661 Joined: 08-17-2006
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Message 95 of 241 (444295)
12-28-2007 8:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 94 by jar
12-28-2007 8:34 PM
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Re: The real issue is identifying threats and acting on them.
No, you can't.
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The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
Article Two of the United States Constitution, Sc 4. Being a incompetent moron who can't do the job right is not a impeachable offense unless they can be convicted on the above grounds. Someone who doesn't believe in end times could easily kill us. Don't discount basic human corruption and greed as well as misinformation. There are several instances where the Russians almost wiped everyone out over computer glitches. Everyone on the planet owes their lives to a half bird Russian colonel. Stanislav Petrov saved the world. Besides education, a major way to prevent annihilation is to go to virtual nuclear arsenals. With no active weapons, and the timetable for making one several weeks, there would be no threat of rapid nuclear annihilation. Edited by obvious Child, : No reason given. Edited by obvious Child, : No reason given.
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jar
Member (Idle past 413 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: The real issue is identifying threats and acting on them.
Then simply have the Vice president declare that the President is incapable of doing the job. But as I said, the first step is to keep nutjobs that believe in End Time Prophecy out of positions in the first place.
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obvious Child
Member (Idle past 4134 days) Posts: 661 Joined: 08-17-2006
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Message 97 of 241 (444298)
12-28-2007 8:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 96 by jar
12-28-2007 8:44 PM
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Re: The real issue is identifying threats and acting on them.
A VP cannot relieve the President of command unless there are medical reasons. If we went to virtual arsenals, the damage a religious whackjob can do is very little. You put too much fear in a believer in the end times. A computer glitch in 1983 almost killed everyone. That's a hell alot more dangerous then a religious crazy. Plus, even if we impeached Dubya, we'd get Cheney. If we impeached him, we'd get Pelosi. You need to gun down a very long list of people in the US succession leadership to get a decent person. Essentially Jar, it's very difficult to figure out the honesty of religious people, or figure out which secular people are actually hiding their beliefs, but it is easy to deny them access to capability threats. Thus, we need to eliminate active nukes. Edited by obvious Child, : No reason given. Edited by obvious Child, : No reason given.
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jar
Member (Idle past 413 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: The real issue is identifying threats and acting on them.
That's a hell alot more dangerous then a religious crazy. I don't think anything is more dangerous than religious nutjobs.
A VP cannot relieve the President of command unless there are medical reasons. I think belief in End Time prophecy is a medical reason.
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obvious Child
Member (Idle past 4134 days) Posts: 661 Joined: 08-17-2006
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Message 99 of 241 (444302)
12-28-2007 8:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 98 by jar
12-28-2007 8:50 PM
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Re: The real issue is identifying threats and acting on them.
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I don't think anything is more dangerous than religious nutjobs.
The Iranian Mullahs have run Iran for three decades. We're all still here and they have biological and chemical weapons. No religious crazy since the invention of deliverable nuclear weapons has brought the world close to annihilation. Several instances of computer failures/glitches, bad procedural planning and poor communication has. If that Russian Half bird Colonel had followed procedure based on info from that computer glitch, none of us be here. That's a hell of a lot scarier then a religious whackjob.
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I don't think anything is more dangerous than religious nutjobs.
The medical community doesn't agree.
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molbiogirl
Member (Idle past 2660 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: 06-06-2007
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Re: The real issue is identifying threats and acting on them.
You misread it, he was the only one to have all three at the same time in office,, not the only president who had all three at some point in their life. Wrong. Kennedy. If I were to research the matter, I suspect I could find any number of examples. But since you were the one who brought it up, the burden of proof rests on your shoulders. So. Cites please.
Have you even read any of those letters? Especially those to the 101st? Perhaps you'd like to share.
Can you read? Blair did not justify it in the name of God. Blair stated that his decision will be judged by people and by God. Not that God told him to do it. Not good enough for you, hm? How's this?
On September 13, 2001, President George W. Bush released a written proclamation that stated, "Scripture says: Blessed are those who mourn for they shall be comforted" (Bush, 2001a, p.1 ). He went on to declare Friday, September 14, 2001, a "National Day of Prayer and Remembrance," and on that day, Bush spoke at the National Cathedral in Washington, D.C. In this essay, we examine Bush's speech on the "National Day of Prayer" by conducting a cluster criticism. Our specific research question is "How does Bush create the case for revenge through the images presented in his National Day of Prayer speech." After analyzing clusters around the key terms United States of America, God, prayers, and names, the results demonstrate numerous findings. Common themes and rhetorical techniques become apparent through the importance of unity, America's responsibility to justice, and God's justification of specific actions. Docan, Tony., Freitas, Lisa. and Holtzman, Clay. George W. Bush's 'National Day of Prayer and Remembrance' Speech: A Cluster Analysis of Bush's Rhetorical Argument for Revenge Paper presented at the annual meeting of the International Communication Association, Marriott Hotel, San Diego, CA, May 27, 2003 Online <.PDF>. 2006-10-05 Page not found | All Academic, Inc. If you'd like, I'd be more than happy to read the paper and cite examples of "god's justification of specific actions".
Because of this, the president's argument for the war has come to rest primarily on the spread of democracy and freedom in the Middle East. And he has repeatedly linked this justification to God's plans for the world. "Freedom is not America's gift to the world," he is fond of saying. "It is God's gift to humanity." He reiterated this in the last presidential debate, when Bob Schieffer asked him about his statement that he had "checked with a higher authority" than his own father before the invasion of Iraq. The president responded, "I believe that God wants everybody to be free. That's what I believe. And that's been a part of my foreign policy. In Afghanistan, I believe that the freedom there is a gift from the Almighty. And I can't tell you how encouraged I am to see freedom on the march." Does God support democracy? The president's theological justification for war in Iraq demands scrutiny National Catholic Reporter, Feb 4, 2005 by Patrick Kelly http://findarticles.com/...les/mi_m1141/is_14_41/ai_n9772186 There's plenty more where those 2 came from. But I think you get the idea.
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jar
Member (Idle past 413 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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National Day of Prayer
Come on. The National Day of Prayer was established in 1952 under Give em Hell Harry.
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molbiogirl
Member (Idle past 2660 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: 06-06-2007
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Message 102 of 241 (444315)
12-28-2007 9:36 PM
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Reply to: Message 101 by jar
12-28-2007 9:22 PM
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Re: National Day of Prayer
White House writes: National Day of Prayer and Remembrance for the Victims Of the Terrorist Attacks on September 11, 2001 Briefing Room - The White House The point of the paper is GWB's use of this National Day of Prayer & Remembrance that he declared (Truman's = first Thursday in May) to support his idea that god is on his side in the Iraq conflict.
Come on. The National Day of Prayer was established in 1952 under Give em Hell Harry. To be technical, not quite.
1775 - The first Continental Congress called for a National Day of Prayer
1863 - Abraham Lincoln called for such a day.
1952 - Congress established NDP as an annual event by a joint resolution, signed into law by President Truman.
1988 - The law was amended and signed by President Reagan, designating the NDP as the first Thursday in May. http://www.ndptf.org/schools/Index.cfm?Entity=8&Departmen...
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jar
Member (Idle past 413 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: National Day of Prayer
To be technical, quite. Using your source:
1775 - The first Continental Congress called for a National Day of Prayer
1863 - Abraham Lincoln called for such a day. called for.
1952 - Congress established NDP as an annual event by a joint resolution, signed into law by President Truman. Established as I said. And as for content, I don't see where his proclamation in anyway shows that he believed God is on his side in the Iraq conflict and in fact it was presented two years BEFORE we invaded Iraq.
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tesla
Member (Idle past 1612 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: 12-22-2007
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Message 104 of 241 (444353)
12-29-2007 12:19 AM
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Reply to: Message 103 by jar
12-28-2007 9:46 PM
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Re: National Day of Prayer
your right jar. the sky is going to turn black, the sun will not shed its light, everyone not a christain will go to hell and when its over you can turn to everyone and say : see? i told you it was those damn christians. lol i still dont buy that religeon is the greatest threat faceing the planet. (extremist aside)
keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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obvious Child
Member (Idle past 4134 days) Posts: 661 Joined: 08-17-2006
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Re: The real issue is identifying threats and acting on them.
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Wrong. Kennedy.
Alright then, wiki is wrong. Isn't the first time. http://www.east-buc.k12.ia.us/.../dm/images/Ikes_Message.pdf Btw, what's your blood pressure? How does your first quote even relate to justifying the invasion?
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Because of this, the president's argument for the war has come to rest primarily on the spread of democracy and freedom in the Middle East. And he has repeatedly linked this justification to God's plans for the world.
Bullshit. The PRIMARY public reason for invading was because Iraq was a imminent threat with its WMD it could use on our allies and give to terrorists (never mind the actual reason). All you did was cite one of the various changing reasons for the war that Dubya came out with. Bush sold the war to Congress on the claim that Iraq had WMD and its associated risks with terrorism. Not because God said so. Just because we have a religious president doesn't mean the world will end. Why you people are incapable of seeing the real issues and big picture astounds me.
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