riverrat writes:
moi writes:
In fact, I can't remember the last time I took my car or my wife's car to a mechanic for something as routine as an oil change. I do all of that myself. Heck, I even rotate my own tires.
What ever made you think you were one of those who can express themselves well? People who lose their temper often are not among the ranks of people expressing themselves well.
Riverrat, as much as I appreciate you responding to me, I'm not sure how your reply has anything to do with the quoted text. Does it make any sense to you?
But to be fair, I have never said that I can express myself better than most others. In fact, I have said this many times now, that I am not very articulate, and because of this I try to be as clear as I can by writing out a thought the way I would say it out loud. In other words, I write the way I talk.
And no, I hardly ever got good grades in English classes.
What do street smarts and common sense have to do with designing a jet or going to the moon? Talk about missed points.
But riverrat, that's exactly the point. It's people who claim to have the street smarts who always seem to try to tell scientists what to do. Ask yourself this question. Are you a biologist? Are many creationists biologists?
As I have stated many times before, the source of my frustration is having to deal with "if gravity is real how come rocks don't orbit mountains" on a semi-regular basis. Sure, the answer is simple, but if you don't have the basics already it will take a while to explain.
Tell you another thing. I belong to a R/C plane club, and there is 100 members. Most of them are engineers, doctors, lawyers, etc. When they need someone to maiden there plane, they call me. Most of them can't actually fly the dam things. As a matter of fact a professor of aeronautics has asked me to maiden his UAV he designed and built with his students (video to follow when it happens). I said ok, but I made him change his plane around. Seems he designed it with too much wing loading, and the thing would never fly.
Oh, I have no doubt of that.
But again, ask yourself this question. Are you a biologist? Are many creationists biologists? Are many creationists physicists? We don't try to tell you which wrench to use on what. Why is it that you people are trying to tell us what's scientific and what's not?
It's not that education doesn't impress me, or that it is not important. It's just that stupid people will always be stupid I guess.
I never said education should impress anyone. In fact, some of the people have the most respect for never went to college.
It's that in society we each have our niche, riverrat. We don't try to tell you which wrench to use on what and please don't try to tell us what's scientific and what's not.
My whole point is that not everyone can be good at everything, and the way you express yourself in writing may not have anything to do with how smart you are, or if you are right or wrong.
I agree. Take a look at our very own Brad McFall. I've tried many times to understand some of his more complex messages. I've even tried to read them while I was drunk.
But then again, it is a general trend that we see creationists who can't write very well present the most bogus "evidence" for creation. Ok, we can say all we want that how well you express yourself doesn't necessarily reflect your intelligence, but the fact remains that we do observe on a regular basis that people who can't express themselves very well are often people who present questions like "if people came from monkeys how come there are still monkeys around?"
Surely, even you can see why we are frustrated.
Any engineer who doesn't listen to his laymen will soon find himself at the wrong end of a bad design.
This why most engineers I've met are also creationists?
No amount of "academic stuff" will ever get us were we want to be, or increase knowledge. Sooner or later someone has to be able to put it together to see if it works. I know plenty of "engineers" who don't know their ass from there elbow, and plenty of laymen who try to design stuff, and practically put peoples lives in danger. The beauty should be in working together, a trait I never see you exert.
Again, why is it that NASA hire scientists and engineers to design plantary missions rather than street smarts people?
I've said this many times. I really really appreciate hands-on inquiries. I fix my own car, rat. I change my own oil. I intalled my own wooden floor. I built my own computer. I change my own tires. I do all of that and more. But every once in a while I still have to go to a mechanic.
What does this tell us? It tells us that we experience is just as important as book smarts.
Ok, let's take it a step further. Creationists want us to teach the literal 6 day creation and noah's flood in the science classroom. Experience is more important than science, right? Have any of you creationists seen god? Were any of you guys there when god wiped out the world with a world wide flood? I'm sure you guys have lots of experience on how noah was able to feed all the animal onboard for a year. I'm sure you guys have lots of experience on how the marsupials were able to get to Australia from the Middle East after the flood.
Surely, even you can see why we are frustrated. Have you ever gone out on a fossil hunt? Why are you trying to tell geologists what's science and what's not? Have you performed genetics experiments? Why are you trying to tell geneticists what to do? Have you done some hands-on on rocket science or astronomical observations? Why are you trying to tell physicists that they're a bunch of dumbasses?
Surely, you can see why we are frustrated.
Edited by Taz, : No reason given.
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