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IamJoseph
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Message 166 of 262 (444613)
12-30-2007 1:43 AM
Reply to: Message 165 by anglagard
12-30-2007 1:17 AM


Re: Fraudulent Quotes
quote:
'Belong' does not mean 'in.'
Yes it does. Your statement is false: belongs = to be in, as of not being out.
quote:
What are 'rights' is not what is 'right.'
Yes it is, with no other meaning possible. Rights = right to be by virtue of that right. I note you have no alternative meaning of it, only a rejection. This is my house by virtue of my rights. The UN understood what this means too.
quote:
What is 'suffering' is not 'sufferance.' Do you need a dictionary?
I don't need a dictionary. I fully understand Churchill's comment: it is in total and wholesale antithesis of your description, and is represented only by my post.

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anglagard
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Message 167 of 262 (444614)
12-30-2007 1:58 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by IamJoseph
12-30-2007 12:34 AM


Re: Number 9, Number 9, Number 9...
IAJ writes:
I will post the churchill link - to embarrasss the one who demanded this.
The embarrassment is all yours.
BTW - Churchill is capitalized and it's embarrass, not embarrasss. Please consider using Firefox or Google for spelling, or as I suggested, a dictionary, for both proper spelling and usage. (Ex. sufferance vs. suffering *snicker*)

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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jaywill
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Message 168 of 262 (444616)
12-30-2007 2:03 AM


What I Meant About Israel's Existence
Clarification:
I wrote the following:
You have a point. But like I said, Israel should not exist today. You may choose to think that Christ has nothing to do with that. But I think Christ has something to do with that.
When I wrote that Israel should not exist today. I was saying that by all odds she should not exist. I meant that the odds against her existence were very great and that her existence was an unusual thing.
I was NOT saying morally Israel had no right to exist.
I am not sure IamJoseph understood that that was the meaning of my saying "Israel should not exist today ..."
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Vacate
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Message 169 of 262 (444624)
12-30-2007 2:39 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by IamJoseph
12-30-2007 12:34 AM


Re: Number 9, Number 9, Number 9...
It was not an exact quote
Then don't use quotes. For someone who insists that speach must be of divine origin you are sure flippant about its proper usage.
nor did I use the word quote
Leaving out the words 'and I quote' does not excuse the fact that you implied a quote. Had you not implied it you would not have people badgering you for your source.
I was wrongfully accused of making up that remark
No, your being accused of paraphrasing a persons remark and attempting to pass it off as a quote.
And I paraphrase:
IamJoseph
"The Churchill quote is also slightly correct as a redefined definition of quote being of explanatory input, as was that of a certian un-named religious figure that I previously sort of quoted but didn't really. Its not a quote if I don't say its a quote."
**A Direct quote of IamJosephs remarks, sort of.

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IamJoseph
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Message 170 of 262 (444625)
12-30-2007 2:54 AM
Reply to: Message 167 by anglagard
12-30-2007 1:58 AM


Re: Number 9, Number 9, Number 9...
quote:
The embarrassment is all yours.
And what, pray tell, did you understand of Churchill's quote - seeing you pointed to my usage of it as as fraudulent?

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IamJoseph
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Message 171 of 262 (444626)
12-30-2007 2:59 AM
Reply to: Message 169 by Vacate
12-30-2007 2:39 AM


Re: Number 9, Number 9, Number 9...
quote:
Then don't use quotes.
For someone who insists that speach must be of divine origin you are sure flippant about its proper usage.
My usage was correct, with or w/o quotes, with no alternative meaning. As it is, I never used the word quote, but had I done that, it would still be fine, having accurately paraphrased it.
There is a strong deflection to the grammar retreat, instead of the primal applicable factor - but here too my grammar is correct.

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anglagard
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Message 172 of 262 (444628)
12-30-2007 3:14 AM
Reply to: Message 170 by IamJoseph
12-30-2007 2:54 AM


Re: Number 9, Number 9, Number 9...
IAJ writes:
And what, pray tell, did you understand of Churchill's quote - seeing you pointed to my usage of it as as fraudulent?
The fraudulent part is implying this was a direct quote from Churchill and then replacing what he may have actually said with a false interpretation.
My interpretation is in Message 165.
Your problems with plagiarism, spelling, reading comprehension, vocabulary deficiencies, and proper English usage have been noted. The best way to solve such problems involve learning, not self-righteousness.
My suggestion is to hit the books and/or take English composition classes at a real (secular) college and drop this off-topic diversion.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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Lithodid-Man
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Message 173 of 262 (444630)
12-30-2007 3:19 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by IamJoseph
12-30-2007 12:34 AM


Re: Number 9, Number 9, Number 9...
IamGarak writes:
I will post the churchill link - to embarrasss the one who demanded this.
So here it is, I am wallowing in my embarrassment:
IaG writes:
'JEWS BELONG IN PALESTINE BY THEIR RIGHTS, NOT THEIR SUFFERINGS' - Churchill.
Churchill writes:
"But in order that this community should have the best prospect of free development and provide a full opportunity for the Jewish people to display its capacities, it is essential that it should know that it is in Palestine as of right and not on sufferance."
Winston Churchill, 1922
So you grossly paraphrased and implied a quote. But hey, it's lying for Jesus so okay, right?
ABE: I am a biologist and college professor. If I were to ever try to pass by your standard of implied quote and shoddy scholarship in my field I would be (at the very best) shunned by my colleagues and have a close to impossible time ever being published again. EvC is not a peer-reviewed journal. No one is asking you to backup every statement with a source. What is being asked is that if you make a quote or say 'someone says' that you make those statements accurate, what was actually said. See? It is really easy. Just check on them.
Edited by Lithodid-Man, : Deleted tabs from Churchill quote to eliminate spaces. Also added some text under 'abe'

Doctor Bashir: "Of all the stories you told me, which were true and which weren't?"
Elim Garak: "My dear Doctor, they're all true"
Doctor Bashir: "Even the lies?"
Elim Garak: "Especially the lies"

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IamJoseph
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Message 174 of 262 (444637)
12-30-2007 4:26 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by Lithodid-Man
12-30-2007 3:19 AM


Re: Number 9, Number 9, Number 9...
Churchill writes:
quote:
"But in order that this community should have the best prospect of free development and provide a full opportunity for the Jewish
people to display its capacities, it is essential that it should know that it is in Palestine as of right and not on sufferance."
Winston Churchill, 1922
So you grossly paraphrased and implied a quote. But hey, it's lying for Jesus so okay, right?
I see no lieing, misrepresentation and no grammatical or comprehension problems with my post. Chruchill was describing his premise in the context of two seperate states in Palestine, giving his reasoning why the British Balfour pledge was now abandoned. Churchill also said in this context:
'IT WILL BE AN HISTORIC COMPROMISE TO GRANT TWO STATES IN PALESTINE - ONE FOR THE JEWS AND ONE FOR THE ARABS'
The Balfour Dec itself also describes the historical connection of Jews with Palestine - thus the reference to RIGHTS of the Jews and Palestine. IOW, this was not limited to an act of sympathy or sufferings.
Of note here also, the term Palestinians was at this time exclusively applied to Jews. It was the 'PALESTINIANS' [Jews] who faught under Briton in the W.W. 11 Coalition; as reported in THE PALESTINIAN POST [now called the Jerusalem Post]. Today's muslim Palestinians hated this name then as they do Zionists, and were allied with the Nazis.

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Lithodid-Man
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Message 175 of 262 (444646)
12-30-2007 5:08 AM
Reply to: Message 174 by IamJoseph
12-30-2007 4:26 AM


IamGarak writes:
'IT WILL BE AN HISTORIC COMPROMISE TO GRANT TWO STATES IN PALESTINE - ONE FOR THE JEWS AND ONE FOR THE ARABS'
You answer me by going and doing it again??!!! You are without shame. All google hits on this quote go to (drumroll please...) IamJoseph on other forums.
Don't even bother replying, I do not need a source, do not want a source.
Henry Rollins writes:
"cause I'm a liar, yeah, I'm a liar
I'll tear your mind up, I'll burn your soul
I'll turn you into me, I'll turn you into me
cause I'm a liar, a liar, a liar, a liar..."

Doctor Bashir: "Of all the stories you told me, which were true and which weren't?"
Elim Garak: "My dear Doctor, they're all true"
Doctor Bashir: "Even the lies?"
Elim Garak: "Especially the lies"

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IamJoseph
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Message 176 of 262 (444651)
12-30-2007 6:55 AM
Reply to: Message 175 by Lithodid-Man
12-30-2007 5:08 AM


quote:
You answer me by going and doing it again??!!!
Glad you like it - its one of Churchill's most famous lines.

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jaywill
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Posts: 4519
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Message 177 of 262 (444661)
12-30-2007 8:14 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by Lithodid-Man
12-30-2007 3:19 AM


Re: Number 9, Number 9, Number 9...
So you grossly paraphrased and implied a quote. But hey, it's lying for Jesus so okay, right?
Hey Prof,
Did I miss something here? I thought the arguer was vehemently opposing the Gospel of Jesus and not arguing FOR it.
Exactly who are you saying was "lying for Jesus?"
I mean we are talking about accurate representation and things like that.
Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 178 of 262 (444673)
12-30-2007 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by IamJoseph
12-30-2007 2:59 AM


Re: Number 9, Number 9, Number 9...
My usage was correct, with or w/o quotes, with no alternative meaning. As it is, I never used the word quote, but had I done that, it would still be fine, having accurately paraphrased it.
Bullshit IaJ.
When you place something in quotes followed by an attribution it is a quote.
In Message 155 you said:
quote:
'JEWS BELONG IN PALESTINE BY THEIR RIGHTS, NOT THEIR SUFFERINGS' - Churchill.
The quotation marks are there, the attribution is there, it is a quote.
IaJ, time after time at EvC you have been found to misrepresent truth, falsify data, misquote people and continue to repeat things that have been shown to be wrong. Whether talking about history or the Bible, the pattern is the same.
Is there any reason anyone should believe anything you say?

Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

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jar
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Message 179 of 262 (444676)
12-30-2007 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 174 by IamJoseph
12-30-2007 4:26 AM


IaJ and the realm of misrepresentation.
Of note here also, the term Palestinians was at this time exclusively applied to Jews.
Bullshit IaJ.
Palestinian was used to refer to someone of ANY religion living in (guess where) Palestine.
Here is the text of the Balfour Declaration.
quote:
Foreign Office,
November 2nd, 1917.
Dear Lord Rothschild,
I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet:
"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country".
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.
Yours sincerely
Arthur James Balfour
Also note that the term "National Home" and not "State" was used. There is no intent for Jews to create a separate Nation State in the Balfour Declaration.

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AdminBuzsaw
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Message 180 of 262 (444683)
12-30-2007 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by IamJoseph
12-30-2007 2:59 AM


Re: Quotation Usage
IAJ writes:
My usage was correct, with or w/o quotes, with no alternative meaning. As it is, I never used the word quote, but had I done that, it would still be fine, having accurately paraphrased it.
Joseph, this seems to be an ongoing issue with you. Quotes are not to be used unless you quote your source verbatum. If you persist in this violation you will be suspended. If you are paraphrasing that should be so stated at the time you cite a statement.
If you wish to address this, DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS MESSAGE. Do so in the moderation forum where it belongs.
Do not argue quote policy further in this thread.
Focus on the prophetic fulfillment of prophecy. The discussion has been straying from the fulfillment aspects. Let's get back to that.

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