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Author Topic:   can science accept assertive law?
ringo
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Message 17 of 78 (444823)
12-31-2007 12:23 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by tesla
12-30-2007 11:49 PM


tesla writes:
the purpose of this thread is to see if science can accept assertive law for scientific inquery.
Maybe you should start by explaining what on earth "assertive law" means.

“Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels

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ringo
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Message 19 of 78 (444827)
12-31-2007 12:47 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by tesla
12-31-2007 12:35 AM


tesla writes:
but existence is assertive: IS present. IS real.
Why would existence be "assertive"?
And you still haven't explained what "assertive law" means.

“Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels

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ringo
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Message 38 of 78 (444968)
12-31-2007 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by tesla
12-31-2007 3:13 PM


tesla writes:
what is the nature of "existence" by scientific enquiry?
Here's a suggestion: Try expressing what you want to say without using the word "existence" at all. Then maybe you can avoid the "nothing can exist outside of existence" kind of nonsense.

“Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels

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ringo
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Message 62 of 78 (445183)
01-01-2008 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by tesla
01-01-2008 1:02 PM


Re: Operational Science versus Origin Science
tesla writes:
I'm not saying you'll "get it" but the answer to your question is there.
That's not the way it works. It's up to you to make your point clear.
I've suggested before that you should try to rephrase your argument without using the word "existence" - because it's just a nonsense word the way you're using it. You might as well be saying, "God is regarded as supernatural, because phlyrbbens is regarded as supernatural. define phlyrbbens, you define God."
If you can't explain your position in another way, it appears like you don't understand your own position very clearly.

“Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels

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ringo
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Message 72 of 78 (445207)
01-01-2008 2:08 PM
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01-01-2008 1:50 PM


Re: Operational Science versus Origin Science
tesla writes:
by reason of my last posts i have been very clear that i cannot accept that anything can have "being" and not be a part of "existence".
What's clear to you doesn't count. You have to make it clear to other people or you don't have communication. Explain it a different way.

“Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels

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