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Author | Topic: The Evolution of God (Before Genesis 1:1) | |||||||||||||||||||
NOT JULIUS Member (Idle past 4474 days) Posts: 219 From: Rome Joined: |
Let us go back to your previous post:
quote: Do you agree that the energy in your previous quote was not participant of the crime but was misused / abused by the criminal? And, your later post:
quote: Are you saying that God being energy and without his own free will participated in the crime? Or do you get the idea that God being made up of energy--as opposed to flesh and blood--and being able to give that energy, allows men to misuse HIS energy?
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Do you agree that the energy in your previous quote was not participant of the crime but was misused / abused by the criminal?
Yes, I can agree to that. But then I don't try to personify energy.
Are you saying that God being energy and without his own free will participated in the crime?
I did not say anything about free will. And it was you who said that God is energy (in the opening post).
Or do you get the idea that God being made up of energy--as opposed to flesh and blood--and being able to give that energy, allows men to misuse HIS energy?
That's a big change from what you originally stated, and it avoids the problem I pointed out.
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NOT JULIUS Member (Idle past 4474 days) Posts: 219 From: Rome Joined: |
quote:I believe I said that God is made up of all sorts of energy AND he can use these forces anyway he likes it. quote: I am not a scientist, but I believe that science can explain these forces taking them one force at a time. It has not come up yet with an explanation of: 'what if these forces were combined together and intead of destroying its other, instead of just holding up these forces ( like the black holes) --it would EVOLVE into something that has intelligence, can act on its own'? If scientist won't consider this possibility, then you have your blinders.
quote: I believe that your premise is correct, but your conclusion is degrading both to men and God. Why not: If this is the case then God has allowed himself to be revealed to men more fully, and men have greatly improved their intelligence?
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I believe I said that God is made up of all sorts of energy AND he can use these forces anyway he likes it. That is saying God uses God. Sorry but that is a contentfree statement. It has no information in it.
It has not come up yet with an explanation of: 'what if these forces were combined together and intead of destroying its other, instead of just holding up these forces ( like the black holes) --it would EVOLVE into something that has intelligence, can act on its own'? Science has not come up with the answer to why bananas are not asteroids either. What ifs are fun when you are a kid. "What if I had a magic bike?"
I believe that your premise is correct, but your conclusion is degrading both to men and God. Of course it is degrading to God, but it is YOUR premise. You are the one who suggested "that the nature of God could later on be explained by science." Them's your exact words son. What I posted is the logical conclusion of what you proposed. If "the nature of God could later on be explained by science" then God is nothing but another natural object, like slime or mold. Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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NOT JULIUS Member (Idle past 4474 days) Posts: 219 From: Rome Joined: |
quote:We can always try, can't we? Think about God as power according to Gen 1:1, Bible in Today's English, 1966 (?) Catholic Edition (BTE) Now consider also Isaiah 40:26, BTE, which says, "WHO [as in person] CREATED [an act of a person] the stars you see? ... His power is so great--no one of them is ever missing." In short these passages, at least in my understanding, says that God is a person--not made of flesh and blood--made up of energy and forces, AND has the capacity to use these forces any way he chooses. Sorry, I didn't mean to be preachy. I just wanted you to have a mental picture of what God is made up as a person,and his power to use these forces. In our physical world, you and I can use our hairs for example to make a useful wig!
quote: I didn't see a big change. But, anyways even if I did, we can always change , can't we?
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Think about God as power according to Gen 1:1, ...
But that's a different meaning of "power", not related to the scientific meaning, and not related to energy. It is a bit more akin to political power, roughly the ability to command and have those commands carried out. I think you are making a big mistake by trying to connect this to scientific concepts of power and energy.
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NOT JULIUS Member (Idle past 4474 days) Posts: 219 From: Rome Joined: |
quote: If you for example a good doctor--being made of flesh and blood--uses PART of your flesh to say transplant it to your kid who is sick, is it saying you are using you? Or, is it like using PART of your flesh to heal your child? Is there no information in it?
quote:Indeed, sometimes kids asks "what ifs" that at first seem absurd but later on makes sense and used by adults to solve a problem. Agree? quote: Perhaps you misunderstood me. I did not say that if the nature of God could later on be explained by science, then "it would be degrading to God" . What I suggested was for you to change your conclusion to: 'then God allowed himself to be more fully revealed to man, and /or man's intelligence has improved.' Sorry, but I seem to sense something wrong in your views. It appears to me that everytime science discovers something then it "degrades" that discovery to something like mud and slime? Correct me if I was wrong.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It appears to me that everytime science discovers something then it "degrades" that discovery to something like mud and slime? Absolutely Correct.
I did not say that if the nature of God could later on be explained by science, then "it would be degrading to God" . If "the nature of God could later on be explained by science" then God is no different than slime or puke. Sorry but that is the only possible conclusion. If you feel it is degrading I would agree. But it is your premise that "the nature of God could later on be explained by science." Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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NOT JULIUS Member (Idle past 4474 days) Posts: 219 From: Rome Joined: |
Jar,
Thanks for giving your thoughts on this post. But, I hope I won't offend you with this question: Do you hate God, or the possibility that he will reveal more of himself to mankind through science ? kind regards,Great J
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NOT JULIUS Member (Idle past 4474 days) Posts: 219 From: Rome Joined: |
quote: Is the use of "power" in Gen 1:1, BTE, to start creation akin to political power? Or is it more akin to use of an awesome energy force?
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Do you hate God, or the possibility that he will reveal more of himself to mankind through science ? Patrick is not too bright but I bet even Patrick would understand my avatar. ROTFLMAO! Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Or is it more akin to use of an awesome energy force?
It isn't at all like an awesome energy force.
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NOT JULIUS Member (Idle past 4474 days) Posts: 219 From: Rome Joined: |
quote: Careful with that. I heard one named his dog according to that name. Next morning the dog was found dead. He then got a puppy and named it just the same. Next morning the man was found dead beside the puppy. Superstition ? May be. Coincidence? May be.
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NOT JULIUS Member (Idle past 4474 days) Posts: 219 From: Rome Joined: |
quote: BTW, Gen 1:1, BTE, was cross-referred to Act 2:1-4 where it mentioned that the house was filled by a strong wind and the occupants were filled (annointed) with the holy spirit in the form of tongues of fire. That appears to me to be awesome energy force.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And that is related to the topic in what way?
The point is, if you knew what my avatar was you would know I do not hate God. The issue is that you keep presenting things that would make God no more than slime or snot. Science by definition can only study that which is natural. If science can someday study God then again, by definition, God is not supernatural but rather natural, snot. That is the only possible conclusion from your assertions. Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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