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Buzsaw
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Message 36 of 62 (445514)
01-02-2008 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by macaroniandcheese
01-02-2008 12:09 PM


brennakimi writes:
........jesus takes great care to say love your neighbor. .............and then he says love your enemy.
Was loving Jesus being hateful when he warned of Hell and the likelyhood that many will go there? In Matthew 10:28 he warns to fear God who is able to cast both body and soul into Hell. Luke also has the same account in Luke 12:5.
In Matthew 18:9 and Mark 9:47 is another warning by loving Jesus relative to the body being cast into Hell for unrepentant offenders.
In Matthew 28:33 loving Jesus warns of the damnation of Hell, calling the religious Jewish Pharasees, his accusers, serpents and "offspring of vipers."
Finally, loving Jesus tells the account of the rich man in Hell, who pleaded for Abraham to send someone from the dead to warn his five living brothers in order that they may escape coming to the place of torment. Abraham answers that even if someone came from the dead the brothers would refuse to be persuaded.
I say loving Jesus relative to these warnings because perhaps relative to the rich man's pleading for someone to warn his brothers the preachers, evangelists, missionaries and laypeople who warn of Hell fire are doing a loving thing in order that some might listen, repent and receive the sin atonement of the savior, Jesus so as to keep the ones being warned out of the place of torment where the rich man was.
Granted, some use bad PR in presenting the message, but perhaps also those preachers who fail to warn are the least loving & caring after all.
My conversion as a child was partly due to the fear of Hell. I now appreciate the fact that my the church elders and teachers preached the whole counsel of God, including topics more difficult to preach and teach in that some would take offense.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 43 of 62 (445551)
01-02-2008 9:56 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Rahvin
01-02-2008 8:54 PM


What you're not understanding in all this is:
1. If God is who he claims to be he calls the shots.
2. What he does and requires is best for the universe and the planet at large for the irradication of evil. It's his universe and his planet. He knows what's best to suit him.
3. If he's really king/majesty/almighty who are we to oppose him. We loose if we do.
4. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom according to Proverbs. If he's intelligent and wise enough to design everything he knows what's best for the planet and universe.
Btw, God the father, Jehovah is the one who condemns to Hell according to the scripture which I cited. Jesus came to save, not to condemn. Loving God sent Jesus to pay the sin penalty which is death. The bottom line is that all are blessed and saved who submit to the authority of God. We who have yielded and submitted to him are blessed. Our nation has been blessed because we have been people of the book beginning with our founders.
The examples you used relative to how people treat others has no bearing to this. We are to do to others as we would have them do to us. With God it's different, he being supreme over all. What we may see as an act of cruelty may be for the good of the universe at large, i.e, the big picture. Thus the flood which wiped out most of humanity and thus the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
The bottom line is if you want to enjoy and understand the blessings of God's love you must assume the responsibilities which he requires in the book which he has caused to be written revealing himself to us. If he be supreme god indeed and you rebel, you loose, no matter what you think about how he runs the universe.
As per the thread topic, that certain kind of Christian who believes in Hell and talks about it even warning, if done in the spirit of compassion is the kind of person Jesus was.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 46 of 62 (445561)
01-02-2008 10:34 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Taz
01-02-2008 9:30 PM


God's proposition is much different. It is to either do what will bless you, your family, community, country, planet and the universe and you by obeying God's call to repentence and salvation, living by his book. By doing this you get eternal life with the pearly gates, streets of gold and all the bells and whistles.
God pays the way via his son's vicarious sin offering/death, the sin penalty being death.
If you reject, you get the condemnation from God in that you have rejected his kingdom, his rules, his way. In his kingdom and universe, all rebels, rejectors and all evil must be condemned in order that evil will not permeate the universe.
Mankind, having an eternal soul and being formed in the image of God is an eternal creature like the angels. With God we are something like energy and 1LoT. We are a form of intelligent energy which came forth from God. Like energy in science, we never cease to exist. That is perhaps (I say perhaps) why the unsaved don't just die like dogs and cease to be concious creatures.
The angels which rebelled with Satan will also be in Hell. According to John the revelator Hell was made for them in the first place. It appears that knowing their fate, they work to deceive humanity who's fate will be like theirs if they succeed.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 51 of 62 (445570)
01-02-2008 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by jar
01-02-2008 10:08 PM


Re: 2nd Advent = Judge
You're right. I stand corrected. Thanks. However according to Luke 12:5 it appears to imply that it's God the father who causes the condemned to be cast into Hell.
John 3:17. Jesus says, "For God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved."
Of course this, after that familiar John 3:16 where he says God sent him that the world might not perish but have eternal life.
What I should have said is that Jesus's first advent was not to condemn the world but to save it. It is his 2nd advent when he sits as judge of the nations whom he comes to rule.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 57 of 62 (445642)
01-03-2008 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Rrhain
01-02-2008 10:52 PM


Buz Not Judging. Buz Informing.
I'm not judging anyone as you are implying. I'm quoting Jesus and telling you what the book says.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 58 of 62 (445643)
01-03-2008 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by jar
01-02-2008 10:55 PM


Re: 2nd Advent = Judge
1. If it's so contradictory as you say why do you trust your soul with Christianity as per the book as you claim?
2. You need to reread my message where I debunked that there was a contradiciton here.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 62 of 62 (445683)
01-03-2008 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Taz
01-03-2008 11:04 AM


Blessings Of Free Will
You overlook the blessings of freewill. If we are to enjoy the blessings thereof, we must also be willing to face the consequences when the priviledge is abused. In the US we may own guns for our protection and for putting wild meat on the table. The abuse of that priviledge may be murder. The penalty for abusing the priviledge may cause the offender to be executed. That's the way it works with God. The free will he gives can bring great blessings or very bad consequences. His grace and mercy provides a pardon, however for those who receive it. He's more than fair.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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