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Message 31 of 37 (436891)
11-27-2007 10:53 PM


Modulous on top of Everest
Author: Modulous
Forum: Faith and Belief
Msg #: 39

“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake

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Message 32 of 37 (438083)
12-02-2007 5:48 PM


RAZD on the "it's all intepretation and presupposition" fallacy
RAZD in the thread "So Just How is ID's Supernatural-based Science Supposed to Work?": message #50
RAZD seems to have the same basic I answer I give to the claim that the evidence for evolution is just a matter of how one interprets the evidence, but I like the way he expressed it here. I may borrow this one myself.

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Message 33 of 37 (438088)
12-02-2007 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Chiroptera
12-02-2007 5:48 PM


Re: RAZD on the "it's all intepretation and presupposition" fallacy
Seconded!! With emphasis !!!!

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Message 34 of 37 (438119)
12-02-2007 8:57 PM
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12-02-2007 5:48 PM


Re: RAZD on the "it's all intepretation and presupposition" fallacy
(memo to self - sometimes it is the short and sweet answers that get the most traction ... )
And of course the evidence shows that those "alternate presuppositions" ARE used by ID ...
Thanks.

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Message 35 of 37 (438121)
12-02-2007 9:08 PM


dwise1 on Transitional Evidence
Message 50
He lists all the evidence of similarities and intermediate forms and then summarizes the results:
So Archaeopteryx is 2-27ths bird (7.4%), 17-27ths coelurosaur (63%), and 6-27ths transisitional between the birds and coelurosaurs (22%).
Kind of hard to argue that Archy is not intermediate in form between ceolurosaurs and modern birds ... without ignoring this evidence.
Enjoy. (I did).

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Message 36 of 37 (438122)
12-02-2007 9:10 PM
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12-02-2007 9:08 PM


Re: dwise1 on Transitional Evidence
Seconded. A great post.

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Message 37 of 37 (445726)
01-03-2008 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by nator
11-22-2007 8:28 AM


Re: Brennakimi
heh. i so rarely read these and i managed to miss it. i think this might be my first.
Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

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