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ICANT
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Message 76 of 295 (446665)
01-06-2008 9:31 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by subbie
12-23-2007 10:14 PM


Re: differentiating between the observation and the theory
Hi subbie,
Here are an assload of 'em.
I visited your website and was unable to find any of the fossils or pictures of the fossils of anything must less a transitional life form.
I visited all the links and all I found was what someone had written down.
Why am I supposed to take this man's word for anything?

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 77 of 295 (446668)
01-06-2008 9:38 PM
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12-23-2007 10:22 PM


Re: differentiating between the observation and the theory
Hi Chiroptera,
Just a quick question.
You're in luck! Mudskippers seem to fit the bill nicely, here!
Why is not mudskippers found in different stages of evolution?

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 78 of 295 (446669)
01-06-2008 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by ICANT
01-06-2008 9:17 PM


Re: God on the lab table - evolution in the present day.
What is the source for the Universe and the first form of Life that you claim evolved.
Irrelevant to the Theory of Evolution. Go talk to the physicists and chemists.

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ringo
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Message 79 of 295 (446671)
01-06-2008 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by ICANT
01-06-2008 8:44 PM


Re: differentiating between the observation and the theory
ICANT writes:
One that could live a very long time, be able to walk on air, be able to walk in space, be able to live with out breathing oxygen and probably many more I have not thought of.
So there's an obvious barrier to prevent walking to the moon. Now show us the barrier that prevents small steps adding up to big evolution.

“Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels

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ICANT
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Message 80 of 295 (446673)
01-06-2008 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by DrJones*
01-06-2008 9:38 PM


Re: God on the lab table - evolution in the present day.
Hi DrJones,
Irrelevant to the Theory of Evolution. Go talk to the physicists and chemists.
Thank you so much just the answer I expected.
Evolution does not have to prove anything. It says we can not go before life existed. We start after life existed and go from there.
It is agreed that micro-evolution has occured and is occuring. Macro-evolution has never been proven to be fact. Therefore why is it taught as a fact?

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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RAZD
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Message 81 of 295 (446677)
01-06-2008 10:14 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by ICANT
01-06-2008 9:17 PM


Re: God on the lab table - evolution in the present day.
My source for the Universe is God.
My source for Life is God.
So what is your source of Life and the Universe it inhabits?
Without the universe and Life there is nothing to evolve.
What is the source for the Universe and the first form of Life that you claim evolved.
What letter in the alphabet is the number 4? 22/7? ∞?
If you are asking what religious or philosophical concept do I need to have to understand evolution, then I would answer any one that is not contradicted by reality. The choice is up to you, for the question is a religious\philosophical question outside the realm of science, all science (not just evolution). There are many (∞?) options.
Evolution is the change in hereditary traits in populations from generation to generation, it is not a philosophy of "life, the universe, and everything," (DNAdams), no matter how much creationists lie about it.
If you want to talk about the meaning of life then let's talk about religion or philosophy. If you want to talk about evolution then we can talk about the change in hereditary traits in populations from generation to generation. If you want to talk about natural history then we can talk about what the evidence of the past shows.
Enjoy.

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ICANT
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Message 82 of 295 (446681)
01-06-2008 10:27 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by ringo
01-06-2008 4:38 PM


Re: differentiating between the observation and the theory
Hi Ringo,
Are you saying that the Model A and Fairlane weren't transitional?
I have no idea what jrtjr1 will say about these so called transitionals.
But I can tell you everyone of them is an automobile.
None of them became an airplane or a rocketship.
Did they evolve? Yes.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ringo
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Message 83 of 295 (446683)
01-06-2008 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by ICANT
01-06-2008 10:27 PM


Re: differentiating between the observation and the theory
ICANT writes:
quote:
Are you saying that the Model A and Fairlane weren't transitional?
I have no idea what jrtjr1 will say about these so called transitionals.
You could try reading his response in Message 68.
None of them became an airplane or a rocketship.
So what? We're following lines of ancestry here. If your grandmother didn't have any Polynesian descendents or Norwegian descendants, does that mean your father wasn't a transitional between her and you?
And how about answering the question I asked you? Where's the barrier to macroevolution?

“Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels

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arachnophilia
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Message 84 of 295 (446685)
01-06-2008 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by ICANT
01-06-2008 10:27 PM


Re: differentiating between the observation and the theory
None of them became an airplane or a rocketship.
don't be silly. everyone knows that bicycles became aeroplanes, and firecrackers became rocketships.


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arachnophilia
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Message 85 of 295 (446687)
01-06-2008 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by RAZD
01-06-2008 10:14 PM


Re: God on the lab table - evolution in the present day.
What letter in the alphabet is the number 4? 22/7? ?
boo, you picked one that actually is a letter.
Edited by arachnophilia, : edit, now that i think about it, at least two of them are.


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jar
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Message 86 of 295 (446688)
01-06-2008 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by ICANT
01-06-2008 8:14 PM


Re: God on the lab table
Why are we required to put our source on the lab table when evolution is exempt from putting its source on the table?
Evolution has no source.

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jar
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Message 87 of 295 (446689)
01-06-2008 11:06 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by ICANT
01-06-2008 9:51 PM


Re: God on the lab table - evolution in the present day.
It is agreed that micro-evolution has occured and is occuring. Macro-evolution has never been proven to be fact. Therefore why is it taught as a fact?
Macro-evolution is simply the sum of micro-evolution over time.
What limits the accumulation of many small changes of many generations?

Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

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ICANT
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Message 88 of 295 (446693)
01-06-2008 11:17 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by ringo
01-06-2008 10:41 PM


Re: differentiating between the observation and the theory
Hi Ringo,
So what? We're following lines of ancestry here. If your grandmother didn't have any Polynesian descendents or Norwegian descendants, does that mean your father wasn't a transitional between her and you?
If my grandmother was Lucy then I would say my father was a transitional between her and me. Other than that he was just a generation between my grandmother and me.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ringo
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Message 89 of 295 (446694)
01-06-2008 11:20 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by ICANT
01-06-2008 11:17 PM


Re: differentiating between the observation and the theory
ICANT writes:
If my grandmother was Lucy then I would say my father was a transitional between her and me. Other than that he was just a generation between my grandmother and me.
So what's the difference between one generation and ten generations, or a hundred generations, or a thousand generations? Where's the barrier between Lucy and you? What prevents those one-generation changes from adding up?

“Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels

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ICANT
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Message 90 of 295 (446702)
01-06-2008 11:42 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by jar
01-06-2008 11:06 PM


Re: God on the lab table - evolution in the present day.
Hi jar,
What limits the accumulation of many small changes of many generations?
What mandates that there are enough small changes over millions of years to change a fish into a land animal.
It took about 3 billion years from the first lifeform to get something you could see without a microscope. So how did we get from there to here today?

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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