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riVeRraT
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Message 293 of 301 (446971)
01-07-2008 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by Modulous
01-07-2008 12:09 PM


I 'met God'. The experience matches the described experience of religious people exactly, and I have had the experience many times while contemplating a variety of gods or higher beings. I realized that the experience is not evidence for higher beings and have had the same experience while spending an evening stargazing. Experiencing the mysterium tremendum et fascinans does not necessitate belief in a deity, though the power of the experience often convinces people that said deities exist (though the nature of these deities varies wildly).
I understand what you are saying, but I have to question those people who have had multiple "religious" experiences. There was a guy here once that claimed to have gone through 7 conversion processes. If you had half a brain, wouldn't you have realized after the second time, that it was you, not God?
The feeling I get from "mysterium tremendum" and God, are very different.

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riVeRraT
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Message 294 of 301 (446974)
01-07-2008 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 291 by Granny Magda
01-07-2008 3:47 PM


Huh? Are you implying that we can know nothing? What are you talking about?
How much do you think we know?
Forgive me, but the point you made was to imply that the antiquity of a belief is evidence of its correctness.
No, it means nothing. Only that we desire "to know." The bible says God created us to worship, and seek Him.
To drag us back on course, are you any more ready to accept that Dawkins' description of himself as an atheist is compatible with his being a scientist, and his willingness to admit that he might be wrong?
Not really. He's saying- I am an atheist...but if. This whole atheist/theist is nothing more than a way to separate ourselves. If we all truly admitted we were agnostic, then we might all get along better.
To answer the question of the OT, as to why does Richard Dawkins sing X-mas carols, the answer is, because he can. pffft.

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riVeRraT
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Message 298 of 301 (447178)
01-08-2008 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 296 by Granny Magda
01-07-2008 6:57 PM


Oh please don't start that kind of nonsense.
It's not nonsense, it's realistic. All scientist, and people who base their lives on logic, and current knowledge are limiting themselves to what we know, which is by nature, always going to be limited.
I asked a member here once to define love, and he gave me some lengthy scientific description of how we think our brains process love. I told him to go home and tell his wife that, instead of I love you.
More likely, we would have absolutely no useful way of describing our beliefs to each other, and anyone who wanted to ascribe to a belief, or lack thereof, would have to be a fundamentalist, who could admit no possibility of being wrong.
It's ok, I will go along with your description, and his. I was just making a point.

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riVeRraT
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Message 299 of 301 (447179)
01-08-2008 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 295 by ringo
01-07-2008 5:40 PM


That one's going in the signature. It really sums up what people have been trying to tell you and some other Christians for years.
Your so cute when your dumb
Ringo, "the spokes person for all against riverrat."
It's funny, I am totally willing to accept my idea of God as being wrong, but your not.

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riVeRraT
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Message 300 of 301 (447181)
01-08-2008 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 290 by bluegenes
01-07-2008 3:40 PM


I, the prophet bluegenes, propose that the universe was created by nine Goddesses because they thought it would look pretty, and they were curious to see what would happen in black holes.
Oh, one more thing before I decide to commit to the nine. Can you please die and rise again?

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