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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I don't know where you get that idea. Maybe you are exaggerating. I think what is most often said is that if what a layperson thinks is true about a particular scientific issue contradicts what the consensus opinion of the scientific experts is concerning that issue, we should probably give greater weight to the scientific consensus.
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ThreeDogs Member (Idle past 5851 days) Posts: 77 From: noli me calcare Joined: |
and you are so right. Are you creationist and here to prove your point?
quote:Is it compared to or compared with? quote:If this sentence is an example of your good writing skills, then you need to learn the meaning of the word verbose and redundant. quote: The above is one of the most pathetic sentences I have read, particularly from a self-styled expert on the subject. Let's try it this way: "The grammar and punctuation of creationists range from average to below. Often, they fail to correctly express ideas, have poor sentence structure and vocabulary and, thereby, give the impression of flunking first grade English."
quote: I recommend you frequent the same message board as does your husband, and review with him what you have learned to improve your abilities.
quote:In 25 words or less, write an essay outlining the basics of affirmative action. quote:I think this pattern exists, because you and your kind have not, will not, cannot learn the meaning of brevity in expression. You also cannot, will not, have not learned it takes all kinds. You are a magnificent case in point.
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ThreeDogs Member (Idle past 5851 days) Posts: 77 From: noli me calcare Joined: |
quote:Hi,Buz: May I help you out by saying the word you want is 'affected'. As for the word 'ongoing'? It is a poor substitute for the word continuing, since you cannot conjugate it. Unless it is acceptable to say ... ongo, ongoing, ongone, onwent. Have a good day. As for a college degree and excellent English? Don't you believe it. It is a myth, one that likes to be perpetuated by the intelligentsia. Edited by ThreeDogs, : No reason given.
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ThreeDogs Member (Idle past 5851 days) Posts: 77 From: noli me calcare Joined: |
quote:The endearing controvertist! One needs to become acute in the ploys of his kind.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ThreeDogs writes: As for the word 'ongoing'? It is a poor substitute for the word continuing, since you cannot conjugate it. It's an adjective, Perfesser. The corresponding verb is "to go on". It is quite permissible to say ... go on, going on, gone on, went on. I think Nator's point in the OP had more to do with the ability to express one's point clearly than with the homogenization of language. It takes all kinds, after all. ABE: Case in point, a load of gibberish like this (Message 49):
quote: Edited by Ringo, : Added example. “If you had half a brain, wouldn't you have realized after the second time, that it was you, not God?” -- riVeRraT
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ThreeDogs Member (Idle past 5851 days) Posts: 77 From: noli me calcare Joined: |
quote:At first glance, this appears contradictory and also at second glance. quote:This paragraph contains a degree of honesty that may easily serve as an example to the chance critic. quote:Another quality observation. Do you take your own counsel? quote:People are good at noticing patterns even though it may not be a pattern. I do believe you have put your finger on what makes the world go round.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
The endearing controvertist! One needs to become acute in the ploys of his kind. someone spends too much time with his thesaurus in his lap.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
brennakimi writes: quote: someone spends too much time with his thesaurus in his lap. It does have a Whitmanesque quality, though, don't you think? “If you had half a brain, wouldn't you have realized after the second time, that it was you, not God?” -- riVeRraT “The endearing controvertist! One needs to become acute in the ploys of his kind.” -- ThreeDogs
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4116 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
Exactly. It's how you write, not in the aspect of appearing intelligent but your tone. Many science people have met defeat in debate because they came off hostile to an audience that believed literal genesis was true. In the same way that evangelicals are more or less reviled by non-evangelicals even though they believe in much of the same doctrine and beliefs as non-evangelicals who are seen in a much better light by most people.
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ThreeDogs Member (Idle past 5851 days) Posts: 77 From: noli me calcare Joined: |
quote:If you mean me, then the answer is not. I confess to something softer for that locus.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
puppies will do that if you're not careful
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Taz Member (Idle past 3292 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
bleedingly obvious child writes:
Generally, in a popular debate the one that sounds nicer or tells a better sounding story wins. I learned this the hard way. Let just say that my audience walked way saying "wow, science is full of crap" after I accidently let it slipped out something like "it's obvious, I can't believe I have to explain this..." Exactly. It's how you write, not in the aspect of appearing intelligent but your tone. Many science people have met defeat in debate because they came off hostile to an audience that believed literal genesis was true. In the same way that evangelicals are more or less reviled by non-evangelicals even though they believe in much of the same doctrine and beliefs as non-evangelicals who are seen in a much better light by most people. Anyway, sometimes I think it's the intention of creationists to annoy people like myself and make us push ourselves over the edge, in turn giving them the upper hand.
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4116 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
quote: Well, angry people make mistakes. 'Winning' isn't about proving that your point is true, it is about whether or not your audience buys that it is true.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I'll tell you what pattern I did notice, that supposedly higher educated, rational thinkers rarely know which way to turn a screw driver, can't hang a picture, or change their oil.
I've noticed there is a big difference in talking about how the world works, and actually working on it. I've noticed so called "dumb" people, have more street smarts and common sense than most "educated" people. Autism kids are an example of just how people are good in some areas, and not good in others. In other words what you've noticed is just life, and it doesn't mean shit. That's why the pattern exists. Should I go around calling all people who do not know how to turn a screw driver idiots? Or should I be fair, understanding, open minded, and willing to see both sides of a story and give the benefit of the doubt, and even help them to turn the dam screwdriver? It's like your saying to us, only stupid people believe in God, and smart people are the ones that actually know what is going on. I fear not because I know God will show you different one day nator, as He did me. There's that chip I was talking about (bluegenes). The higher up you put yourself on that pedestal, the longer it is to fall. Long live God, Nascar, beer, 3 wheelers, and people who can't spell who have no teeth. end rant.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3292 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
riverrat writes:
Speak for yourself... I mean speak for someone else... I'll tell you what pattern I did notice, that supposedly higher educated, rational thinkers rarely know which way to turn a screw driver, can't hang a picture, or change their oil. When I was a poor college student, one time I rear ended someone because the bastard 2 cars in front of me decided to slam on his break on a packed highway. I was the 3rd car down so I had the least time to react. Insurance decided that it wasn't 100% my fault. Anyway, insurance gave me a check to have the car fixed. I spent that money on college tuition and other stuff. About the car, I went to half a dozen junk yards to find the parts I needed to fix my car, and let me tell you it was a total wreck. I basically had to replace almost everything from the driver's seat to the front. All of that I did with occasional help from my brother. In fact, I can't remember the last time I took my car or my wife's car to a mechanic for something as routine as an oil change. I do all of that myself. Heck, I even rotate my own tires.
I've noticed there is a big difference in talking about how the world works, and actually working on it.
Why in the world did you vote for Bush, then? Wouldn't it have been better to have vote for John Edwards? He at least spent a part of his life having his hands on things.
I've noticed so called "dumb" people, have more street smarts and common sense than most "educated" people. Autism kids are an example of just how people are good in some areas, and not good in others.
I agree. Perhaps NASA should have hired "dumb" people to plan for the missions to other planets. Heck, let's hire "dumb" people to design the next kick-ass passenger jet.
It's like your saying to us, only stupid people believe in God, and smart people are the ones that actually know what is going on. I fear not because I know God will show you different one day nator, as He did me. There's that chip I was talking about (bluegenes). The higher up you put yourself on that pedestal, the longer it is to fall.
No. We're saying you guys stick with the street smarts and leave the academic stuff to us. Stop trying to tell us what science is and isn't. We don't try to tell you which wrench to use on what. Scientists and academics are nothing more than specialists. Despite popular beliefs among "dumb" people, we really don't believe we're gods. We don't try to tell our mechanics which screw drive to use anymore than you don't try to tell your doctor which prescription he should give you (I'm assuming you don't micromanage how your doctor treat you). We each have our own niche in society.
Long live God, Nascar, beer, 3 wheelers, and people who can't spell who have no teeth. end rant.
Well, long live Mozart, Rachmaninoff, and Mendelssohn... and Newton, Heissenberg, and Darwin! Rant disengaged.
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