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ThreeDogs Member (Idle past 5876 days) Posts: 77 From: noli me calcare Joined: |
Therefore, the discussion about ongoing is an ongone discussion.
quote:You are so right, there is nothing endearing about a controvertist. However, if one is regularly exposed to him and his ploys, acute awareness of such ploys is a must. You should try it. It puts hair on your chest.
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LinearAq Member (Idle past 4701 days) Posts: 598 From: Pocomoke City, MD Joined: |
LinearAq writes: Ken Ham does very well at writing his ideas and performs well when communicating to laymen of both sides. Many of the "scientists" at Answers in Genesis" are also skilled writers. I have seen them talk or write loops around those detractors that they deign to include in their discussions. Caveat: Anyone with a well thought out question or comment in opposition gets ignored or, if it occurs in public, gets side tracked with what Ham and his ilk think is a nifty little logic counter punch to avoid answering the question. To which, ThreeDogs responds: The endearing controvertist! One needs to become acute in the ploys of his kind. I am at a bit of a loss to identify the subject, to whom you are referring. It seems you are saying that Ham is a controvertist based on your second sentence. However, it is possible you are saying that I am inclined to fuel controversy. Perhaps clarity in written expression is not your forte`.
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ThreeDogs writes: You are so right, there is nothing endearing about a controvertist. I didn't say that. The topic isn't about the content of posts. It's about the style. I find your gibberish odd in a thread about style. Are you the love-child of IamJoseph and tesla?
However, if one is regularly exposed to him and his ploys, acute awareness of such ploys is a must. You should try it. You should try, occasionally, informing your audience what your pronouns refer to.
It puts hair on your chest. That might adversely effect my income from Internet porn. “If you had half a brain, wouldn't you have realized after the second time, that it was you, not God?” -- riVeRraT “The endearing controvertist! One needs to become acute in the ploys of his kind.” -- ThreeDogs
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ThreeDogs Member (Idle past 5876 days) Posts: 77 From: noli me calcare Joined: |
quote:The word is affect. You're on welfare, huh? What my pronouns refer to? Yikes! Edited by ThreeDogs, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ThreeDogs writes: What my pronouns refer to? Yikes! Sentences. Egad? Really, if you don't want to come across as yet another creationist empty-head, you'd do better to write in plain English instead of trying to be Mr. Pedantic. “If you had half a brain, wouldn't you have realized after the second time, that it was you, not God?” -- riVeRraT “The endearing controvertist! One needs to become acute in the ploys of his kind.” -- ThreeDogs
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
In fact, I can't remember the last time I took my car or my wife's car to a mechanic for something as routine as an oil change. I do all of that myself. Heck, I even rotate my own tires. What ever made you think you were one of those who can express themselves well? People who lose their temper often are not among the ranks of people expressing themselves well.
I agree. Perhaps NASA should have hired "dumb" people to plan for the missions to other planets. Heck, let's hire "dumb" people to design the next kick-ass passenger jet. What do street smarts and common sense have to do with designing a jet or going to the moon? Talk about missed points. Tell you another thing. I belong to a R/C plane club, and there is 100 members. Most of them are engineers, doctors, lawyers, etc. When they need someone to maiden there plane, they call me. Most of them can't actually fly the dam things. As a matter of fact a professor of aeronautics has asked me to maiden his UAV he designed and built with his students (video to follow when it happens). I said ok, but I made him change his plane around. Seems he designed it with too much wing loading, and the thing would never fly. It's not that education doesn't impress me, or that it is not important. It's just that stupid people will always be stupid I guess. My whole point is that not everyone can be good at everything, and the way you express yourself in writing may not have anything to do with how smart you are, or if you are right or wrong. Like you said everyone has a niche in society. Too make this world a better place, would be to accept that, and try to read in between the lines a bit, and give people the benefit of the doubt. And not try to point out any "patterns". Nator's patterns do not mean a thing, and she is just guessing. This is not the result of some scientific study, it's just her poopy opinion. Maybe all the people who are creationists, and can write well, just don't bother with this forum. I mean even Jesus walked away.
No. We're saying you guys stick with the street smarts and leave the academic stuff to us. That attitude is pure bullshit, and a loser one at that. Any engineer who doesn't listen to his laymen will soon find himself at the wrong end of a bad design. No amount of "academic stuff" will ever get us were we want to be, or increase knowledge. Sooner or later someone has to be able to put it together to see if it works. I know plenty of "engineers" who don't know their ass from there elbow, and plenty of laymen who try to design stuff, and practically put peoples lives in danger. The beauty should be in working together, a trait I never see you exert.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
There's only one thing wrong with you quoting me. It is a missed quote, taken out of context. So while your trying to be "cute" you are only displaying a lack of understand and comprehension.
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
riVeRraT writes: There's only one thing wrong with you quoting me. It is a missed quote, taken out of context. The quote:
quote: is apt, whether it was what you meant or not. I comprehend quite well what you said. Whether or not you said what you meant is your problem - which may be close to the topic.
So while your trying to be "cute".... I was born cute - no "trying" involved. “If you had half a brain, wouldn't you have realized after the second time, that it was you, not God?” -- riVeRraT “The endearing controvertist! One needs to become acute in the ploys of his kind.” -- ThreeDogs
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Taz Member (Idle past 3317 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
riverrat writes: moi writes:
What ever made you think you were one of those who can express themselves well? People who lose their temper often are not among the ranks of people expressing themselves well. In fact, I can't remember the last time I took my car or my wife's car to a mechanic for something as routine as an oil change. I do all of that myself. Heck, I even rotate my own tires. Riverrat, as much as I appreciate you responding to me, I'm not sure how your reply has anything to do with the quoted text. Does it make any sense to you? But to be fair, I have never said that I can express myself better than most others. In fact, I have said this many times now, that I am not very articulate, and because of this I try to be as clear as I can by writing out a thought the way I would say it out loud. In other words, I write the way I talk. And no, I hardly ever got good grades in English classes.
What do street smarts and common sense have to do with designing a jet or going to the moon? Talk about missed points.
But riverrat, that's exactly the point. It's people who claim to have the street smarts who always seem to try to tell scientists what to do. Ask yourself this question. Are you a biologist? Are many creationists biologists? As I have stated many times before, the source of my frustration is having to deal with "if gravity is real how come rocks don't orbit mountains" on a semi-regular basis. Sure, the answer is simple, but if you don't have the basics already it will take a while to explain.
Tell you another thing. I belong to a R/C plane club, and there is 100 members. Most of them are engineers, doctors, lawyers, etc. When they need someone to maiden there plane, they call me. Most of them can't actually fly the dam things. As a matter of fact a professor of aeronautics has asked me to maiden his UAV he designed and built with his students (video to follow when it happens). I said ok, but I made him change his plane around. Seems he designed it with too much wing loading, and the thing would never fly.
Oh, I have no doubt of that. But again, ask yourself this question. Are you a biologist? Are many creationists biologists? Are many creationists physicists? We don't try to tell you which wrench to use on what. Why is it that you people are trying to tell us what's scientific and what's not?
It's not that education doesn't impress me, or that it is not important. It's just that stupid people will always be stupid I guess.
I never said education should impress anyone. In fact, some of the people have the most respect for never went to college. It's that in society we each have our niche, riverrat. We don't try to tell you which wrench to use on what and please don't try to tell us what's scientific and what's not.
My whole point is that not everyone can be good at everything, and the way you express yourself in writing may not have anything to do with how smart you are, or if you are right or wrong.
I agree. Take a look at our very own Brad McFall. I've tried many times to understand some of his more complex messages. I've even tried to read them while I was drunk. But then again, it is a general trend that we see creationists who can't write very well present the most bogus "evidence" for creation. Ok, we can say all we want that how well you express yourself doesn't necessarily reflect your intelligence, but the fact remains that we do observe on a regular basis that people who can't express themselves very well are often people who present questions like "if people came from monkeys how come there are still monkeys around?" Surely, even you can see why we are frustrated.
Any engineer who doesn't listen to his laymen will soon find himself at the wrong end of a bad design.
This why most engineers I've met are also creationists?
No amount of "academic stuff" will ever get us were we want to be, or increase knowledge. Sooner or later someone has to be able to put it together to see if it works. I know plenty of "engineers" who don't know their ass from there elbow, and plenty of laymen who try to design stuff, and practically put peoples lives in danger. The beauty should be in working together, a trait I never see you exert.
Again, why is it that NASA hire scientists and engineers to design plantary missions rather than street smarts people? I've said this many times. I really really appreciate hands-on inquiries. I fix my own car, rat. I change my own oil. I intalled my own wooden floor. I built my own computer. I change my own tires. I do all of that and more. But every once in a while I still have to go to a mechanic. What does this tell us? It tells us that we experience is just as important as book smarts. Ok, let's take it a step further. Creationists want us to teach the literal 6 day creation and noah's flood in the science classroom. Experience is more important than science, right? Have any of you creationists seen god? Were any of you guys there when god wiped out the world with a world wide flood? I'm sure you guys have lots of experience on how noah was able to feed all the animal onboard for a year. I'm sure you guys have lots of experience on how the marsupials were able to get to Australia from the Middle East after the flood. Surely, even you can see why we are frustrated. Have you ever gone out on a fossil hunt? Why are you trying to tell geologists what's science and what's not? Have you performed genetics experiments? Why are you trying to tell geneticists what to do? Have you done some hands-on on rocket science or astronomical observations? Why are you trying to tell physicists that they're a bunch of dumbasses? Surely, you can see why we are frustrated. Edited by Taz, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2195 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Having spent the last 15 years hanging out with many, many science PhD candidates and professional scientists, the opposite has been true in my experience.
quote: I don't think so at all. I think that the more you understand and think about how the world works the better you are at working on it. Of course, the stuff you are talking about has little to do with education more to do with physical coordination and experience. I'll bet you wouldn't know how to design an FMRI experiment to test a theory about a particular aspect of working memory and how to analyse the data, but that's because you haven't gone to graduate school and gotten a PhD in Cognitive Psychology and therefore haven't been trained to do that. My husband has, and that's why he can, and has, done that numerous times.
quote: Again, that hasn't been my experience at all. I have spent the last 15 years working in the specialty food/restaurant/grocery industry. The educational backgrounds of the people I've worked with have varied widely, from people with PhD's, Masters and MD's to technical school degrees to high school diplomas to dropouts who've been in prison and/or rehab for most of their lives. The "dumb" ones were the ones more likely to have spent time in prison and to have gotten mixed up with drugs. Obviously, they couldn't have had much "street smarts" or "common sense" if they got mixed up with that kind of stuff. The smart ones, regardless of educational background, were always trying to get more education.
quote: Huh?
quote: The difference is, rat, that we don't spend 12 years of school taking classes on using screwdrivers. Furthermore, our ability to communicate our ideas effectively in written form is a very good indicator of how orderly our thinking is and if we have mastered the use of our language. Not everyone will be a brilliant writer, of course, but it is shameful how truly poorly some people write in this country. We already know that sub-standard school systems turn out illiterate people so it isn't that much of a stretch to figure that it will also turn out people who are really poor writers. What I'd like to know, though, is why so many of those terrible writers on this board seem to be religious and/or Creationists?
quote: I've tried to help you learn to write more clearly and to learn to use the correct contraction of "you are" (you're/your), but you have only resented it. I can't help someone who doesn't want to improve their skills.
quote: No. I am saying that a lot of Creationists are poor writers. Apparently, you have a problem with comprehension as well as expression. There are lots of smart people who believe in God, but I think people can't be all that smart and also a Creationist. At the very least, a smart Creationist has to struggle with a lot of cognitive dissonance and willful ignorance.
quote: Whatever, rat. I am not ashamed of having good writing and communication skills. I think that this sort of anti-intellecualism and fear and resentment of education and intelligence can only be damaging to our country.
quote: Huh? Edited by nator, : No reason given. Edited by nator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2195 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: When Taz explains something, I can understand him just fine. I don't reply to any of his points with "Huh?" like I have to do with you all the time.
quote: Well, I suppose that means you express yourself the least well of just about anyone on this board.
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Just a footnote, ThreeDogs. When I first came to Evc, some of the conversations around here frustrated me to no end. I was challenged in my thinking and I thought to myself that surely I was right and they were all on crack!
If you can stand the intensity and yet be polite enough to the other members with whom you disagree, you will eventually like it here! We certainly like humorous debates, conducted in good fun and with respect for each other! Stick around!
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Nator, in response to rats rant writes: He is ranting, Nator. He is protesting the intellectual elitism that has frustrated many a Bible Thumper. In fact, knowing Rat as I do, I'll bet he is thinking of this scripture: 1 Corinthians 1:19-20 huh? Personally, I agree with you to some extent, Nator. I have worked with the smart and the dumb (if I dare judge people in that regard) and the level of education has not always mattered. I myself am a High School graduate with some college, though I have yet to graduate. The choices that people make, and the willingness to have an open and inquisitive mind versus a closed dogmatic mind go far in determining their future.
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ThreeDogs Member (Idle past 5876 days) Posts: 77 From: noli me calcare Joined: |
quote:Thanks for sharing your experience. I did quite a bit of reading here before I signed up. One poster stands out with unabashed bias against creationists and provokes the observation of being anti-human rights. I felt it needed to be addressed. I don't mind intensity, I'm short-voiced and that is grounds. I feel no need for change. I expect adults of a certain intelligence register to speak past their prejudices. Ha, ha!
quote: Phat, what were you thinking? Do you want me to consider the term bible thumper to be respectful? (See your following post) I'll be here now and then, when I think I can contribute something to understanding. My main concerns are the preponderance of the intelligentsia to be convinced of their magnificence, when they mostly regurgitate stuff that was regurgitated to them and none exhibit original thought. If they have one, they would not let on where Dr. Jock Crock can steal it and claim it for his own. It's one thing to be challenged in your thinking, it's another to give up who you are because someone uses your insecurities against you. See you later. Oh, how I love Denver. The foothills in Spring and the larks trilling their music ...
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ThreeDogs Member (Idle past 5876 days) Posts: 77 From: noli me calcare Joined: |
quote:You meant it in a respectful way, right?
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