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Percy
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Message 196 of 295 (447667)
01-10-2008 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 193 by ICANT
01-10-2008 11:14 AM


Re: Sudden Appearances
ICANT writes:
Let me try to understand this.
I have always thought there was one single cell life form that appeared out of the absence of anything.
We were talking about the origin of species, not the origin of life. I think it would be better to focus on just one thing at a time, don't you?
You said that there was once a population of only two carrier pigeons that over time increased to over five billion. I explained that it was unlikely for there to have ever been a time in the passenger pigeon's evolutionary history when their population was reduced to a single pair. Species evolve gradually as populations. A population will gradually over time take on a different character as it responds to evolutionary forces in its environment. There is never any sudden emergence of a species, it is always a gradual process of tiny, tiny transitional steps from one generation to the next. Significant differences in the character of a population can only be detected after many generations have passed.
Before this revelation I thought there ought to be a lot more fossils than there are. But with millions more of each creature that tells me there should be mountains of fossils.
I think you should think through something so simple on your own. Here's a hint. Ask yourself why the forests aren't awash in squirrel and bird fossils.
--Percy

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Message 197 of 295 (447677)
01-10-2008 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by ICANT
01-10-2008 11:14 AM


Re: Sudden Appearances
ICANT
I have always thought there was one single cell life form that appeared out of the absence of anything.
No, single cell life would have formed as a result of organic molecules etc.that form polymers through chemical interactions. Where
did you get the idea that they formed out of nothing?
Are you now telling me that there were gazillions, billions, millions, or hundreds of thousands of them that came into existence at the same time.
Again you are making assumptions that are not reasonable at all.
When the conditions for the appearance of the chemical precursors for cells are present on earth then the appearance of these precursors have an entire planet with a land surface area of 148.847x106 km2, 57.470x106 sq mi. and an ocean surface area of 361.254x106 km2, 139.480x106 sq mi.from which to choose raw material to form chemical units{say amino acids} with a surface area on the order of 150 angstrom{150 ten billionths of a meter}.
Again when the conditions are right then the ability of these precursors to self assemble are the reason for the later ability of cells themselves to also self assemble.
Before this revelation I thought there ought to be a lot more fossils than there are. But with millions more of each creature that tells me there should be mountains of fossils.
Well since in order to become fossilized certain conditions have to be met then there is a limiting factor to which animals become fossils.
As for mountains of fossils we do indeed have those in the burgess shale in Yoho National park by Field British Columbia.
And despite the constrictions on the ability to be fossilized we have vast quantities of fossils already and more being found hourly so perhaps this answers your sentence.
ABE You would do good to remember that the demands you feel need to be made on the records nature leaves behind are NOT something that nature must abide by.
Edited by sidelined, : No reason given.

"Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere."
Albert Einstein

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Message 198 of 295 (447683)
01-10-2008 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by Percy
01-10-2008 6:55 AM


Re: Sudden Appearances
Hi Percy,
That's just not the way percentages work in this context, plus you seem to be forgetting or ignoring that families and genera, just like populations, are constantly replenished with the passage of time.
Sorry if I might have misled you with my percentages.
I was mearly using then to show that there was a lot of dead bodies.
I know that when it gave a percentage of the families went extinct that it was talking about of the then existing families.
Example: I buy a bag of marbles with one hundered marbles in it. I am walking along a dark path with a lot of leaves and I spill my bag of marbles. I can only find fifty marbles, I lost 50% of my marbles. Next day I go to store and buy another bag of 100 marbles. Now I have 150 marbles a lot of time passes and I keep losing marbles in different ways and one day I spill my marbles again and cannot find 83% of them Now I have about 25 marbles left. If I lost all these marbles in a 1 acre yard I should be able to take a rake and rake the entire yard and find between 1 and 175 marbles.
The two places I spilled the marbles should produce the most marbles.
If the scientific facts about these extinction events are correct some happened suddenly, killing and burying many things all at once.
Even the ice age of 11,000 years ago froze some animals as they walked so it had to happen instantly.
Nowadays many scientists blame the death of the dinosaurs on an asteroid impact about 65 million years ago. This asteroid was about 10 kilometers in diameter, and it slammed into shallow waters covering what is now the Yucatan peninsula. The resulting crater, called Chicxulub or "Tail of the Devil", is about 150 kilometers across! The resulting tsunami would have hit Texas with a wave 50 to 100 meters high. Millions of tons of material were hurled into the atmosphere,http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/extinction/
All I am trying to do is point out if there was billions of dead bodies Science should be able to produce a lot more of them.
Someone asked me how many fossils should there be. I have no idea but there should at least be enough to prove evolution as taught without having to take a pigs tooth and construct a man out of it aka Nebraska man. Piltdown man a complete forgery. Java man created from a skullcap, three teeth and a femur. Orce man created from the skull fragments of a donkey. Ah but you say these were exposed by scientist so. Why did they exist in the first place? If these scientist could not be trusted why should I trust anyone today?
The aim has not changed. That is to prove that man came from the single cell life form that just appeared. Thus proving that there is no God to answer to.
Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Percy
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Message 199 of 295 (447694)
01-10-2008 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by ICANT
01-10-2008 12:30 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
ICANT writes:
Example: I buy a bag of marbles with one hundered marbles in it. I am walking along a dark path with a lot of leaves and I spill my bag of marbles. I can only find fifty marbles, I lost 50% of my marbles. Next day I go to store and buy another bag of 100 marbles. Now I have 150 marbles a lot of time passes and I keep losing marbles in different ways and one day I spill my marbles again and cannot find 83% of them Now I have about 25 marbles left. If I lost all these marbles in a 1 acre yard I should be able to take a rake and rake the entire yard and find between 1 and 175 marbles.
The two places I spilled the marbles should produce the most marbles.
Now assume that instead of marbles it was bouillon cubes. How many do you think will still be around to rake up after a week?
You didn't mention my encouragement to consider why forests aren't awash in squirrel and bird fossils, so I'm going to assume that you now understand that under normal circumstances fossilization is rare.
You're now moving on to ask why certain extinction events didn't cause the relevant geological layers to be filled with fossils, and the answer is the same: fossilization is rare. Take the hypothesized asteroid that hit Mexico and might have caused the demise of the dinosaurs. The dinosaurs in the area within a thousand miles or so are all walking around when suddenly an enormous flash of heat and impact turbulence hits them, killing them instantly. Now they're all lying around on the ground where scavengers that mostly live below ground (e.g., some types of amphibians, reptiles and mammals) will remove their flesh, and the bones exposed to the elements will gradually erode and decay away (certain bacteria and fungi probably had a heyday).
Much of the material receiving enough energy to throw it into the air would be superheated, and those buried under superheated material would turn to ash.
But that's just within the blast area. Around the world environmental conditions change to the point where dinosaurs are no longer favored, and over the next couple million years they gradually die out, with fossilization no more likely than it ever was.
In other words, there would never be any huge burial ground of a geological layer for the dinosaurs. It wouldn't be unexpected for there to be pockets here and there of animals immediately killed, buried and preserved, but we haven't been so lucky to discover any that we can determine to be directly related to the event.
I can offer equivalent rationalization for the frozen mammoths, such as reduction of habitat, enormous numbers, persistence in following ancient migratory routes that were being filled in by glaciers, etc., but I don't think anything I could write would be helpful to you. What you're really seeking is reasons why evolution must be false, and if phenomena for which there is no evidence, such as the supernatural, is an acceptable explanation for you, then nothing anyone says will convince you that natural explanations suffice. There will always be things we do not know or can't explain, and in the face of the unknown or inexplicable there will always be people who say, "There be God!"
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Spelling.

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ICANT
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Message 200 of 295 (447715)
01-10-2008 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by Percy
01-10-2008 11:36 AM


Re: Sudden Appearances
Thanks Percy,
We were talking about the origin of species, not the origin of life. I think it would be better to focus on just one thing at a time, don't you?
I thought they were related some way.
It seems I cannot express myself or I am taking too much for granted.I tend to the latter.
Now if thousands, millions or billions of creatures came on the scene at one time it would lead me to believe that back at the beginning the same thing would have had to happen. That there had to be whatever number we choose evolving parallel to each other to arrive at a number more than two.
Example: If I am building one house when I get finished I will have one house. On the other hand if I am building track houses and I start 10 houses at one time and build them simultaneously when I finish I will have 10 houses. If I do 100 I have 100 upon completion.
It just takes a lot more workers and material to do ten than one. Then a lot more workers and material to do 100.
Percy I am trying to understand that is why I am using examples that I know about being a fact.
Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 201 of 295 (447719)
01-10-2008 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by Percy
01-10-2008 1:21 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
Very informative.
What you're really seeking is reasons why evolution must be false,
You can access my motives anyway you desire.
The fact remains that I am looking for the tons of evidence that I have read on this site exists that proves evolution beyond a shadow of doubt.
You keep telling me it does not exist.
Therefore I must believe it happened because someone thinks it happened even though they can't prove it.
Sure there are a lot of things that we can prove.
There is change over time. That is a proven fact.
Enough change over time to get from the single cell life form to modern man may or may not be true. It is not a proven fact.
So I can choose on circumstantial evidence to accept that it did.
Or:
I can choose that the circumstantial evidence is not enough to satisfy my criterion for scientific fact.
So far in the last 10 plus months on this site there has been very little evidence for anything put forth. Period.
There has been a lot of information some good and some bad from evolutionist and creationist alike.
There has been more insulting remarks than anything else.
I have searched thousands of web sites. Read hundreds of hours looking for evidence. I find a lot of opinions, guesses and claims. I find very little evidence. I find a lot of fakes on both sides of the issue.
Lucy that I talked about the last couple of days has 8 different skeletons and none of them the same. All of which are claimed to be exact copies of the 40% skeleton that is locked away. If science can't produce exact replicas of a skeleton how do I know the skeleton even exists other than in someone's mind or imagination.
Percy I do not have evidence to be able to prove to you beyond a shadow of doubt that God exists.
You do not have enough evidence to prove to me beyond a shadow of doubt that I descended from a single cell life form. Even if God had put that life form on earth.
There is one fact that I am sure of:
One day in the future the issue will be settled once and for all.
If your theory is correct you and I will probably never know the answer or see the absolute proof. We will die end of story.
If my theory is correct you and I will both know the answer to the issue as we will both stand before God and confess that He is God.
Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 202 of 295 (447720)
01-10-2008 3:29 PM
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01-10-2008 2:18 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
ICANT
Example: If I am building one house when I get finished I will have one house. On the other hand if I am building track houses and I start 10 houses at one time and build them simultaneously when I finish I will have 10 houses. If I do 100 I have 100 upon completion.
It just takes a lot more workers and material to do ten than one. Then a lot more workers and material to do 100.
However when the building materials are chemicals and the units self assemble then the process is automatic and the materials plentiful.

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ICANT
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Message 203 of 295 (447725)
01-10-2008 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by sidelined
01-10-2008 12:15 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
Hi sidelined,
Where
did you get the idea that they formed out of nothing?
Bad choice of words on my part. I probably should have use non life forms instead.
Again you are making assumptions that are not reasonable at all.
Can I use this the next we are discussing the Bible.
Well since in order to become fossilized certain conditions have to be met then there is a limiting factor to which animals become fossils.
Forgive my stupidity I have been reading about 1000's of partial animal fossils that are microscopic in size that has no bone mass but are perfectly preserved. These fossils are 800+ million years old.
So please forgive me if I am being unreasonable when I would expect that we could find fossils half the size of a man or elephant or dinasour that has bone mass.
And despite the constrictions on the ability to be fossilized we have vast quantities of fossils already and more being found hourly so perhaps this answers your sentence.
I have heard about these vast quanities of fossils. But I cannot locate them could you please give me the locations so I can find them. I am kind of skeptal when it comes to taking other people's word. I been lied too, far too many times to take anybody's word.
Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 204 of 295 (447726)
01-10-2008 4:27 PM
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01-10-2008 3:29 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
Hi sidelined,
However when the building materials are chemicals and the units self assemble then the process is automatic and the materials plentiful.
They did cease to be chemicals when they became single cell life forms didn't they.
Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Percy
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Message 205 of 295 (447729)
01-10-2008 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by ICANT
01-10-2008 2:18 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
ICANT writes:
Now if thousands, millions or billions of creatures came on the scene at one time...
Actually, I've been trying to say the exact opposite, that millions and billions of a new type of creature do not appear at the same time. Sexual species evolve as populations of interbreeding organisms, and they evolve very gradually in tiny, tiny steps.
If you consider two fossil species, call them A and B, and A is suspected to have evolved into B, then assuming a consistent pace of evolution, at the start our original population of say several million organisms has traits that are 100% A-like and 0% B-like. Now keeping in mind this is very simplistic and only to illustrate the principle, after one generation our population has traits that are 99.9999% A-like and .0001% B-like. After two generations our population has traits that are 99.9998% A-like and .0002% B-like. And so forth.
After 10,000 generations our population, which has always maintained a population of several million, now has 0% A-like traits and 100% B-like traits.
Notice that there was no point in time when several million B's just suddenly popped into existence. The evolution of the population of A's into a population of B's occurred very gradually one tiny transition at a time.
Replying to your next Message 201 also:
ICANT in Message 201 writes:
The fact remains that I am looking for the tons of evidence that I have read on this site exists that proves evolution beyond a shadow of doubt.
You keep telling me it does not exist.
Proof of evolution beyond a shadow of doubt? Of course not. There is no proof of anything in science beyond a shadow of doubt. Science doesn't prove theories because science is tentative. Theories are always open to change or even rejection in light of new evidence or improved insights.
So if you're looking to science for proof of anything, be it Boyle's Law or relativity or the Maxwell equations or evolution, you're looking in the wrong place. Science can't give you proof. Let me emphasize this by replying to more of your post.
Sure there are a lot of things that we can prove.
If you're talking about science, there is nothing we can prove. All we do is build theoretical explanations around bodies of evidence through an intense process of experiment, observation, analysis, replication and making successful predictions.
There is change over time. That is a proven fact.
In science this cannot be considered a proven fact, though of course except at the outer limits of physics research science simply makes this assumption because it works extremely well.
Science is tentative. You have to accept that.
So I can choose on circumstantial evidence to accept that it did.
Circumstantial evidence is a legal term, not a scientific one. Scientific observations can be indirect, but it would be very bad scientific practice to accept the equivalent of circumstantial evidence as anything more than an indicator of something worth looking into more rigorously.
So far in the last 10 plus months on this site there has been very little evidence for anything put forth. Period.
Well, that's a very strange thing to say, because science is based upon evidence. The reason Darwin's theory was accepted so readily back in the 1860's was because of the wealth of evidence he presented in Origins, and the evidence supporting evolution has grown a million-fold since then, especially the evidence from genetics.
You do not have enough evidence to prove to me beyond a shadow of doubt that I descended from a single cell life form.
Of course I don't have enough evidence to prove evolution beyond a shadow of doubt. That's because I'm doing science. Scientists don't prove things, they support them with evidence. The more evidence the greater our confidence, but it never reaches 100% certainty. Not ever.
One day in the future the issue will be settled once and for all.
Oh, I very much doubt that.
If your theory is correct you and I will probably never know the answer or see the absolute proof.
Of course, because there's no such thing as absolute proof in science.
If my theory is correct you and I will both know the answer to the issue as we will both stand before God and confess that He is God.
Or it might be that evolutionary theory represents our best attempt at developing an accurate model that explains the diversity of life and earth, and that God is just fine with people figuring out how the real world really works.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 206 of 295 (447732)
01-10-2008 4:45 PM
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01-10-2008 4:27 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
ICANT writes:
Hi sidelined,
However when the building materials are chemicals and the units self assemble then the process is automatic and the materials plentiful.
They did cease to be chemicals when they became single cell life forms didn't they.
Life is just very complicated chemistry. At university there's an introductory course called organic chemistry that's required for pre-med students. Besides separating the future doctors from the business majors, it teaches the basics of the chemistry of life.
So no, chemicals do not cease to be chemicals when they join a living organism. DNA consists of, among other things, amino acids, and their inclusion in the DNA molecule doesn't suddenly mean they're no longer chemicals. DNA itself is just a very complicated chemical molecule.
--Percy

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Message 207 of 295 (447734)
01-10-2008 4:54 PM
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01-10-2008 12:30 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
Even the ice age of 11,000 years ago froze some animals as they walked so it had to happen instantly
And your evidence for this claim is?

soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

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Message 208 of 295 (447735)
01-10-2008 4:55 PM
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01-10-2008 3:28 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
Lucy that I talked about the last couple of days has 8 different skeletons and none of them the same.
Adn your evidence for this claim is?

soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Message 209 of 295 (447736)
01-10-2008 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by NosyNed
01-10-2008 2:03 AM


Re: As it is taught
Hi Ned,
Well, guess what: it isn't taught that way.
So you have a problem with my statement.
This is one of the most amazing things about creatures springing up using natural selection and survival of the fittest. You have to have 2 to start and they can survive and produce millions. But when the populations get low they can't survive. Something is wrong with this picture of evolution as presently taught.
Is your problem with creatures springing up using natural selection and survival of the fittest. I did not specify a time frame. Or is it with my stupid use of a pair of something not realizing there was or could have been millions of pairs that came into existence at one time simultaneously.
Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 210 of 295 (447743)
01-10-2008 5:32 PM
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01-10-2008 5:03 PM


Your statements
NN writes:
Well, guess what: it isn't taught that way.
Icant writes:
So you have a problem with my statement.
Yes it is wrong. In fact I don't recall you making one single post about the evolutionary model that isn't wrong.
The rest of your post seems to be quoting yourself and then your answer is wrong again. The millions of pairs simultaneously bit is just as utterly wrong.
Populations evolve. There is not need to a new species to arise all at once as one new breeding pair or as millions of them.
Your grasp is so thin that we'd have to back up and spend many many posts explaining the process to you.
However, you show no inclination to read carefully and reflect. I think you are another one who isn't going to learn anything from these discussions.

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