scientific theories taught as factual

Hi Stile, You don't have to feel sorry for my father If I am right he is 100% spiritual now and awaiting my arrival.Enjoy,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi RAZD, What evidence?Have fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Percy, Percy from day one on this site I have always said I believed in change over time. I have never said it did not happen.What I cannot accept is that there was enough time to change to where we are today.If life appeared 3.8 billion years ago...
Prokaryotes appeared about 2.6 billion years ago...
Eukaryotes appeared about 1.5 billions years ago...
Multicellular life appeared about 700 million years ago...
Taken from chart here:http://curriculum.calstatela.edu/...s/less/les4/Vles4nb.htmlFrom the simplest life form (single cell) to multicellular life forms it took 3.1 billion years.Now if this is a scientific fact that it took that long for this process to take place, which to me seems like a long time for such little progress.How is it that in the past 700 million years we have been able to accomplish coming from multicellular life forms to where we are today. Which seems such a short time for so much progress.Then factor in 5 extection events:
450 MYA 27% of all families and 57% of genera extinct.
375 MYA 19%of families and 50% of genera extinct.
251 MYA 57% of families and 83% of genera extinct.
205 MYA 23% of families and 48% of genera extinct.
65 MYA 17% of families and 50% of genera extinct.
11,000 years ago most major large mammals extinct in ice age.
About 8,000 years ago the largest extenction event ever began when modern man took charge.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/extinction/Now if these facts and figures are scientific evidence and I look at it with an open mind taking in account it took 3.1 billion years to get from single cell life to multicellur life forms, with all the extinction, 143% of the families, and 288% of the genera and no telling what in the ice age of 11,000 years ago, come to the conclusion that everything proceeded in a long drawn out generation to generation of evolution to get us to where we are today. There would have to have been billions of dead bodies left behind with all that death. Taking into consideration that these extinction events was not controled by natural selection and survival of the fittest it leads me to believe that there would have to have been a lot of that sudden appearing of creatures or if they evolved there would have to have been a lot of those creatures who were deformed as they would not be a full grown anything. With all these billions of creatures we should have a little more fossils than we have.Conclusion: If I did not believe in an outside source I could not look at this evidence and come to the conclusion to accept the position that is put forth on this forum concerning evolution of the species.I am beginning to see why some evolutionist would call themselves christian evolutionist. They know that everything could not have happened without some outside help.Have fun,Edited by ICANT, : added link for extinction information

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Taz, If I remember correctly everything I read about this little fellow he was very high on the food chain and that is why he went extinct.In the 19th century it is estimated there were 5 billion passenger pigeons in North America as the the white man moved inland they disappeared very fast. The major decreese between 1870 and 1890 after which they were so depleted they could not recover.What is so amazing about this is that at one time there was only 2 and they increased to over 5 billion but when their population got so low (not one bird mind you) they could not recover.This is one of the most amazing things about creatures springing up using natural selection and survival of the fittest. You have to have 2 to start and they can survive and produce millions. But when the populations get low they can't survive. Something is wrong with this picture of evolution as presently taught.Have fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Taz, You did notice the dates that this bird went extinct did you not.
It was about 117 years ago.I admit I don't know much about fossils but I would think that would be a little bit short on time for something to turn to rock. But maybe I am wrong. If I am could someone explain it to me.Taz could you supply the group or groups that have been searching for these fossils.Have fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Thanks Percy, Let me try to understand this.
I have always thought there was one single cell life form that appeared out of the absence of anything.Are you now telling me that there were gazillions, billions, millions, or hundreds of thousands of them that came into existence at the same time.And are you telling me the same thing about all the different creatures on our planet. If so:Before this revelation I thought there ought to be a lot more fossils than there are. But with millions more of each creature that tells me there should be mountains of fossils.Have fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Percy, Sorry if I might have misled you with my percentages.
I was mearly using then to show that there was a lot of dead bodies.
I know that when it gave a percentage of the families went extinct that it was talking about of the then existing families.Example: I buy a bag of marbles with one hundered marbles in it. I am walking along a dark path with a lot of leaves and I spill my bag of marbles. I can only find fifty marbles, I lost 50% of my marbles. Next day I go to store and buy another bag of 100 marbles. Now I have 150 marbles a lot of time passes and I keep losing marbles in different ways and one day I spill my marbles again and cannot find 83% of them Now I have about 25 marbles left. If I lost all these marbles in a 1 acre yard I should be able to take a rake and rake the entire yard and find between 1 and 175 marbles.
The two places I spilled the marbles should produce the most marbles.If the scientific facts about these extinction events are correct some happened suddenly, killing and burying many things all at once.Even the ice age of 11,000 years ago froze some animals as they walked so it had to happen instantly. All I am trying to do is point out if there was billions of dead bodies Science should be able to produce a lot more of them.Someone asked me how many fossils should there be. I have no idea but there should at least be enough to prove evolution as taught without having to take a pigs tooth and construct a man out of it aka Nebraska man. Piltdown man a complete forgery. Java man created from a skullcap, three teeth and a femur. Orce man created from the skull fragments of a donkey. Ah but you say these were exposed by scientist so. Why did they exist in the first place? If these scientist could not be trusted why should I trust anyone today?
The aim has not changed. That is to prove that man came from the single cell life form that just appeared. Thus proving that there is no God to answer to.Have fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Thanks Percy, I thought they were related some way.It seems I cannot express myself or I am taking too much for granted.I tend to the latter.Now if thousands, millions or billions of creatures came on the scene at one time it would lead me to believe that back at the beginning the same thing would have had to happen. That there had to be whatever number we choose evolving parallel to each other to arrive at a number more than two.Example: If I am building one house when I get finished I will have one house. On the other hand if I am building track houses and I start 10 houses at one time and build them simultaneously when I finish I will have 10 houses. If I do 100 I have 100 upon completion.
It just takes a lot more workers and material to do ten than one. Then a lot more workers and material to do 100.Percy I am trying to understand that is why I am using examples that I know about being a fact.Have fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Very informative. You can access my motives anyway you desire.The fact remains that I am looking for the tons of evidence that I have read on this site exists that proves evolution beyond a shadow of doubt.You keep telling me it does not exist.Therefore I must believe it happened because someone thinks it happened even though they can't prove it.Sure there are a lot of things that we can prove.There is change over time. That is a proven fact.Enough change over time to get from the single cell life form to modern man may or may not be true. It is not a proven fact.So I can choose on circumstantial evidence to accept that it did.
Or:
I can choose that the circumstantial evidence is not enough to satisfy my criterion for scientific fact.So far in the last 10 plus months on this site there has been very little evidence for anything put forth. Period.There has been a lot of information some good and some bad from evolutionist and creationist alike.There has been more insulting remarks than anything else.I have searched thousands of web sites. Read hundreds of hours looking for evidence. I find a lot of opinions, guesses and claims. I find very little evidence. I find a lot of fakes on both sides of the issue.Lucy that I talked about the last couple of days has 8 different skeletons and none of them the same. All of which are claimed to be exact copies of the 40% skeleton that is locked away. If science can't produce exact replicas of a skeleton how do I know the skeleton even exists other than in someone's mind or imagination.Percy I do not have evidence to be able to prove to you beyond a shadow of doubt that God exists.You do not have enough evidence to prove to me beyond a shadow of doubt that I descended from a single cell life form. Even if God had put that life form on earth.There is one fact that I am sure of:One day in the future the issue will be settled once and for all.If your theory is correct you and I will probably never know the answer or see the absolute proof. We will die end of story.If my theory is correct you and I will both know the answer to the issue as we will both stand before God and confess that He is God.Have fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi sidelined, Bad choice of words on my part. I probably should have use non life forms instead. Can I use this the next we are discussing the Bible. Forgive my stupidity I have been reading about 1000's of partial animal fossils that are microscopic in size that has no bone mass but are perfectly preserved. These fossils are 800+ million years old.So please forgive me if I am being unreasonable when I would expect that we could find fossils half the size of a man or elephant or dinasour that has bone mass. I have heard about these vast quanities of fossils. But I cannot locate them could you please give me the locations so I can find them. I am kind of skeptal when it comes to taking other people's word. I been lied too, far too many times to take anybody's word.Have fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi sidelined, They did cease to be chemicals when they became single cell life forms didn't they.Have fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Ned, So you have a problem with my statement. Is your problem with creatures springing up using natural selection and survival of the fittest. I did not specify a time frame. Or is it with my stupid use of a pair of something not realizing there was or could have been millions of pairs that came into existence at one time simultaneously.Have fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Jones, http://members.fortunecity.com/slemen/frozen.htmlSome scientist want to bring back the wooly mammoth by using sperm from the frozen animals. MSN | Outlook, Office, Skype, Bing, Breaking News, and Latest VideosHave fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi DrJones, I found these pictures here. If you want to prove they don't exist have at it. Have fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Ned, I am going to clarify what I have been saying and see if you can comprehend it.A long time ago there was no life.
A single cell life form appeared. Maybe more than one.
These life forms did whatever they did for 3.1 billion years when.
A multicellure life form appeared.
Over the next 700 million years these multicellure (one or more) life forms gave birth to all the life forms we see today through a process of natural selection and survival of the fittest events.Would you please point out where I went wrong in stating what I think evolution is to what you say it is. Ned I really think that is what I am saying in the above statements.Have fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."