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sidelined Member (Idle past 5928 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
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This means that the large majority of diverse life came into existence in the last 600 Million years; were as life has existed on this planet for something like 3.8 Billion years. So that would be roughly an eighth of the time life has existed. Single celled life dominated for a great period of time and was followed by colonization of single celled life followed by multicellular life and then followed by sexual selection that allowed for huge increases in complexity that resulted in diversity of animal life as revealed in the fossil record.Now why would it be a problem that the evolution of life hit huge strides in diversity when sexual selection made it to the forefront?
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5928 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
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I find it necessary to repeat myself here, “ . the problem seams to be that you are only willing to look at our universe in a purely mechanical way. You assume that ”if it exists in this universe it must come from something (or someone) inside (and therefore bound by) this universe.’ Even quantum mechanics is telling you otherwise, and yet you refuse to listen.” Oh... REALLY?! Do tell, jrtjr1, how quantum mechanics tells us this would you? Since you brought it up {quantum mechanics} could you explain how QM shows the universe to operate in a way that is not mechanical? "Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere." Albert Einstein
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5928 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
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I have always thought there was one single cell life form that appeared out of the absence of anything. No, single cell life would have formed as a result of organic molecules etc.that form polymers through chemical interactions. Wheredid you get the idea that they formed out of nothing? Are you now telling me that there were gazillions, billions, millions, or hundreds of thousands of them that came into existence at the same time. Again you are making assumptions that are not reasonable at all.When the conditions for the appearance of the chemical precursors for cells are present on earth then the appearance of these precursors have an entire planet with a land surface area of 148.847x106 km2, 57.470x106 sq mi. and an ocean surface area of 361.254x106 km2, 139.480x106 sq mi.from which to choose raw material to form chemical units{say amino acids} with a surface area on the order of 150 angstrom{150 ten billionths of a meter}. Again when the conditions are right then the ability of these precursors to self assemble are the reason for the later ability of cells themselves to also self assemble.
Before this revelation I thought there ought to be a lot more fossils than there are. But with millions more of each creature that tells me there should be mountains of fossils. Well since in order to become fossilized certain conditions have to be met then there is a limiting factor to which animals become fossils. As for mountains of fossils we do indeed have those in the burgess shale in Yoho National park by Field British Columbia.
And despite the constrictions on the ability to be fossilized we have vast quantities of fossils already and more being found hourly so perhaps this answers your sentence. ABE You would do good to remember that the demands you feel need to be made on the records nature leaves behind are NOT something that nature must abide by. Edited by sidelined, : No reason given. "Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere." Albert Einstein
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5928 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
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Example: If I am building one house when I get finished I will have one house. On the other hand if I am building track houses and I start 10 houses at one time and build them simultaneously when I finish I will have 10 houses. If I do 100 I have 100 upon completion. It just takes a lot more workers and material to do ten than one. Then a lot more workers and material to do 100. However when the building materials are chemicals and the units self assemble then the process is automatic and the materials plentiful.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5928 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
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They did cease to be chemicals when they became single cell life forms didn't they. No.The physics of electromagnetism give rise to the elements and the chemical interactions of the biology that makes up cellular life and the operations within those cells are all chemistry in action. From simple elements of carbon,hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogen,are the constituents of cellular biology made. From these constituents are the various capabilities of life fundamentally derived. ABE Check out this video and see how much we have learned about the workings of the cell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdkI2wb4AlM Edited by sidelined, : No reason given. "Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere." Albert Einstein
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5928 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
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A single cell life form appeared. Maybe more than one. These life forms did whatever they did for 3.1 billion years when. A multicellure life form appeared. Actually there is thought to have been an intermediate stage wherein single celled bacteria would colonize and thereby gain an advantage.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5928 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
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Amazing, what holds all those chemicals together? The electromagnetic force present in the chemical bonds. If you notice in the video when some of the individual pieces floating about got close to one another they seemed to attract each other as they came within a certain range and would quickly increase the coupling till they snapped together. This is a result of the electrons within each of those pieces attracting each other according to rules based on the number of electrons and their structure in the individual atoms that make up these bimolecular structures. If you wish to continue we can proceed to deeper regions. As a bonus I thought you might like to see that same video again but with a narration from the creator of it at this site here David Bolinsky: Visualizing the wonder of a living cell | TED Talk "Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere." Albert Einstein
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5928 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
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You have whetted my appetite so more information please. My pleasure. What do you want to know?
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5928 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
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I will say since God made everything out of the same material we would be very similiar. Now we are back to square 1. Well that we are made out of the material is not in dispute. What is the difficulty is in the mechanism by which this is performed. The theory of evolution says that the mechanism is random mutation directed by non-random natural selection. Natural selection is just the pressure applied by the environment that an animal must deal with at the time that they are alive. Now if we are to say that God did this then it is simply equitable that we provide the mechanism by which God accomplishes this and the evidence of that mechanism. Edited by sidelined, : No reason given. Edited by sidelined, : No reason given.
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