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Why? Others have combined this kind of analogy with taking photographs along the way, where the photographs represent "fossil records" of the process, each one intermediate between the ones before and after in their progress across the US. Photographs that make a logical and consistent pattern from A to B.To borrow the analogy and take it another step () further, each step made can represent a generation in the development of a species. Each step will differ from the one before it, maybe a little, maybe more (a jump over a creek, a skip). At a certain point this walking will need to adapt to a new environment, that necessary to get over mountains, and the adaptation will involve a different kind of step and additional support. Finally, when you reach the california coast you can walk out into the surf until you float, and then adapt that walking/step motion to swimming. An entirely different kind of step.Now if you think that evolution just cannot explain "large scale change" well enough to suit you, or that there is some magic barrier to what evolution can accomplish, please define what you mean or need to see\understand on Dogs will be Dogs will be ??? or MACROevolution vs MICROevolution - what is it? or "Macro" vs "Micro" genetic "kind" mechanism?. So far I haven't had a creationist able to explain what the problem is.Enjoy.

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So it's an analogy, one that breaks down tragically because the moon is not an island of life separate from earth. There is no there there for life to walk to.Of course your analogy would also mean that life would be homogeneous - same animals in similar ecosystems - and this too is not true. Biogeography is a fact that is explained by evolution, but not by genesis. The numbers and types of species that make it to volcanic islands - like hawaii, like galapagos - show that not all types of animals can walk on water, but that doesn't prevent life from getting there.So your analogy even fails to apply to life on earth. Tough luck, reality is like that. like the 65 million years between appearances of coelacanth in the fossil record ... guess that means that they don't exist. And before you say "but they haven't changed" you better check the facts. (hint - it's an order not a species).Enjoy.

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So why is either of those a problem? So we can't have a modern day transition of fish to land animals? Another radiation? So is\do every single transitional animal.Again, why are these problems?Enjoy.

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Let's test this concept:You have a life form 'A' - your maternal grandmotherand a life form 'B' - you.Where are the transitionals, the intermediates? Do you not have a mother? Is she fully formed or is she half you and half your maternal grandmother?Enjoy.Edited by RAZD, : have half

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The "source" of evolution is the evidence for it, the evidence that helped in formulating the original theory, and in testing theories since then down to the present day.That source is available to everyone.That source is the life around us and the observations of change in hereditary traits in populations from generation to generation.Whether it was Darwin observing finches on the Galapagos Islands in the 1800's or the Grants observing finches on the Galapagos Islands 150+ years later, it is still the observations of change in hereditary traits in populations from generation to generation that is the source of evolution.All theories are based in the present day, tested in the present day, and do not rely on the past.The past is evidence, evidence that can validate or invalidate concepts of how that past occurred -- including astronomy, geology, physics, chemistry and biology. Fortunately nature is not limited by opinion.Enjoy.Edited by RAZD, : 150+Edited by RAZD, : natures limit

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What letter in the alphabet is the number 4? ²²/₇? ∞?If you are asking what religious or philosophical concept do I need to have to understand evolution, then I would answer any one that is not contradicted by reality. The choice is up to you, for the question is a religious\philosophical question outside the realm of science, all science (not just evolution). There are many (∞?) options.Evolution is the change in hereditary traits in populations from generation to generation, it is not a philosophy of "life, the universe, and everything," (DNAdams), no matter how much creationists lie about it.If you want to talk about the meaning of life then let's talk about religion or philosophy. If you want to talk about evolution then we can talk about the change in hereditary traits in populations from generation to generation. If you want to talk about natural history then we can talk about what the evidence of the past shows.Enjoy.

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He's not talking about speciation, but about the creationist myth of a fly becoming an elephant overnight.Enjoy.

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Then god cannot be your source. If god is your source then you are de facto talking religion and philosophy when you ask about sources.No special pleading. That is not the source but the question on the beginning of life. Source is a religious and philosophical consideration beyond the question of the beginning of life. 55 million should enough, based on the evidence, but you do have to look at the question rationally.Try your hand at dogs will be dogs will be .... Notice that in the first part you have to define what constitutes sufficient change to divide taxonometric categories, such as the difference between a common domestic cat and a red fox. The last creationist (Beretta) didn't get very far.Enjoy.

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See "something"Enjoy.(is anyone on topic these days?)

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Take 5 minutes to breath. Read the thread and try to respond to the issue and not your cognitive dissonance reactions. Take a day to formulate a rational response if you need to, instead of just posting some silly knee-jerk reaction. In other words you never got to the issue of dog vs eohippus skeletons. We do know what the skeletons look like, and we can compare those skeletons to the skeletons of modern animals and other fossils, we can see the hereditary traits that are common from one to another. This is what the skeleton of phenocodus looks like:Rather more like a dog than even eohippus eh?At least go to message 12 on the thread to see the actual skeleton of dog and eohippus rather than the artist rendering of phenacodus, an ancestor of eohippus (ie even older). Irrelevant. You still go from A to B, and B to C, and C to D ... and Y to Z by the process of changes in hereditary traits in populations from generation to generation ... and any detours on the way from a direct path from A to Z only demonstrate evolution - and lack of 'design' (couldn't he make up her mind?) - even more.Trust me, thinking you have found some horrendous error in evolutionary thinking is only because you don't understand the way evolution works - it is not linear.Enjoy.Edited by RAZD, : expanded evolutionary pathEdited by RAZD, : added phenocodus skeleton

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EVO: gosh, look at the evidence ...CREO: gosh, look at the time ... gotta go ...Enjoy.

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Cyanobacteria - Wikipedia

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Stromatolites, putative fossilized cyanobacteria, have been found from 3.8 billion years ago. The ability of cyanobacteria to perform oxygenic photosynthesis is thought to have converted the early reducing atmosphere into an oxidizing one, which dramatically changed the life forms on Earth and provoked an explosion of biodiversity. Chloroplasts in plants and algae have evolved from cyanobacteria. Wikimedia Error

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There were colonies of bacteria long before the multicellular life evolved. What is the difference between a colony and a multicellular life?Sponge - Wikipedia

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The sponges or poriferans (from Latin porus "pore" and ferre "to bear") are animals of the phylum Porifera. Porifera translates to "Pore-bearer". They are primitive, sessile, mostly marine, water dwelling, filter feeders that pump water through their bodies to filter out particles of food matter. Sponges represent the simplest of animals. With no true tissues (parazoa), they lack muscles, nerves, and internal organs. Their similarity to colonial choanoflagellates shows the probable evolutionary jump from unicellular to multicellular organisms. There are over 5,000 modern species of sponges known, and they can be found attached to surfaces anywhere from the intertidal zone to as deep as 8,500 m (29,000 feet) or further. Though the fossil record of sponges dates back to the Neoproterozoic Era, new species are still commonly discovered.

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There are several kinds of sponges that you can run through a screen to make them break up into small bits, and they will reassemble into a sponge afterwards.In other words we see fossil evidence and evidence from life today of intermediate forms. Survival of the barely able to survive is also natural selection -- it is not just the "fittest" that survive and breed. The working definition of "fit" is "being able to survive and breed." Not really - I don't assign them to micro or macro, and "macro" generally refers to (continued) evolution after speciation, so speciation is just the boundary of "micro" and "macro" levels.What "macro" actually is - in evolutionary biology - is just the diversification of life from common ancestors. This happens by evolution within species as well as by further speciation.Now back to your regular program of (mis)information (and trolling).Enjoy.

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A colony also comes from 1 or more cells that have divided and compose one colony.What's the difference?Your body is composed of cells that are similar to single celled eukaryotes. What's so special about multicell organisms? They are. The genetic record does not contradict this. The fossil record does not contradict this. The history of natural life that we know does not contradict this. Therefore no other process is necessary.Enjoy.Edited by RAZD, : reword endEdited by RAZD, : natlif add

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How do you tell? Is a sponge a bunch of organisms or a single organism? What's the problem? Evolution occurs within species, within populations.The fact remains that "The genetic record does not contradict this. The fossil record does not contradict this. The history of natural life that we know does not contradict this."The only difference you see is that once speciation has occurred that the different species evolve along different paths, as each evolves within the species, within the populations. As more time passes they can become more different. You don't see any different evolution or any other process. Because it is true. It is just evolution - the change in hereditary traits in populations from generation to generation - plus speciation - the division of parent species into two or more daughter species. Speciation allows differences to accumulate, but the differences that accumulate are all due to evolution - the change in hereditary traits in populations from generation to generation - within each species.No other process is needed to explain the evidence. The genetic record does not contradict this. The fossil record does not contradict this. The history of natural life that we know does not contradict this.The reality is simple.Enjoy.

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What we don't have is any evidence of theory taught as fact.If creos want to run out the meter on threads they started without presenting any information that shows their claim is valid, it is their loss.Enjoy.

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