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Coragyps
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Message 241 of 295 (447968)
01-11-2008 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by ICANT
01-11-2008 1:54 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
Now I am not saying anybody else would do that.
I am saying that I would do it.
Remind me not to buy, borrow or rent anything from you.

"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

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DrJones*
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Message 242 of 295 (447971)
01-11-2008 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by ICANT
01-11-2008 1:54 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
I would see to it that a very big fuss was made over the replica. Because I want you to be convinced you are getting the real thing.
Now I am not saying anybody else would do that.
I am saying that I would do it.
So you're saying that you're a liar?
Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.

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Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
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All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
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jar
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Message 243 of 295 (447977)
01-11-2008 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by ICANT
01-11-2008 1:54 PM


Why Can't ICANT find the topic?
Now lets just dream for a moment. If I was in charge of something as old as Lucy in Ethiopia. (A country that don't have the laws and privilidges as we do in the US.) I would protect it as if my life depended on it because it probably would. It would not get out of my control or care for anything other than my dead body. But if I wanted to use a replica and make the world think it was the real thing, I would see to it that a very big fuss was made over the replica. Because I want you to be convinced you are getting the real thing.
Now I am not saying anybody else would do that.
I am saying that I would do it.
Yes, from postings here at EvC is does seem like the normal Biblical Cristian when given a choice between honesty and dishonesty chooses dishonesty.
Now, do you have anything to post on the topic which is "scientific theories taught as factual" or are you simply going to continue to avoid addressing the issue?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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ICANT
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Message 244 of 295 (448008)
01-11-2008 5:09 PM
Reply to: Message 238 by sidelined
01-11-2008 2:02 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
Hi sidelined,
As a bonus I thought you might like to see that same video again but with a narration from the creator of it at this site here
A fabulous piece of work.
sidelined writes:
The electromagnetic force present in the chemical bonds.
I can see the magnetic attachments but that does not answer my question.
All chemicals I know about are liquid.
Unless liquid has a container is is usually kind of messy and uncontrollable.
You have whetted my appetite so more information please.
Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 245 of 295 (448013)
01-11-2008 5:30 PM
Reply to: Message 242 by DrJones*
01-11-2008 2:34 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
Hi Jones,
I see you didn't read the entire post or either you can't understand plain english or can't think of something important to contribute as jar constantly reminds me to do.
I said if I was in charge and my life depended upon me taking care of Lucy and I wanted you to think a replica was the real thing I would tell you a lie in a heartbeat.
Just like many have lied trying to convince the world evolution on the bigger scale is a scientific fact.
The opposite of that if is I am not in charge of Lucy.
DrJones writes:
So you're saying that you're a liar?
I like George Washington will have to tell the truth I cannot lie.
Yes I have lied. The first time probably when I was about a day old and there was nothing wrong but I cried making my mom or dad think something was wrong. It could have been a little longer before I told my first lie but probably not much.
I hope that is a satisfactory answer.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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nwr
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Message 246 of 295 (448014)
01-11-2008 5:37 PM
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01-11-2008 1:54 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
I would protect it as if my life depended on it ...
And maybe they (Ethiopia) would protect it as if their diplomatic and economic relations with other nations depended on it. And that's why they might make it available (suitably protected, of course).

Let's end the political smears

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Coragyps
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Message 247 of 295 (448015)
01-11-2008 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by ICANT
01-11-2008 5:09 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
All chemicals I know about are liquid.
Then you know nothing at all about chemicals. Not even salt or limestone, I suppose.....

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Tanypteryx
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Message 248 of 295 (448031)
01-11-2008 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by ICANT
01-11-2008 5:09 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
Chemicals consist of the chemical elements found on the periodic table of elements and mixtures of these elements are called chemical compounds. Chemicals can be solids, liquids or gases.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
You can't build a Time Machine without Weird Optics -- S. Valley

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Percy
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Message 249 of 295 (448035)
01-11-2008 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by ICANT
01-11-2008 5:09 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
ICANT writes:
All chemicals I know about are liquid.
Very believable.
--Percy

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bluescat48
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Message 250 of 295 (448039)
01-11-2008 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by ICANT
01-11-2008 5:09 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
ICANT
All chemicals I know about are liquid.
What about such substances as:
glycine (amino acid solid)
methane (hydrocarbon gas)

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RAZD
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Message 251 of 295 (448042)
01-11-2008 7:32 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by ICANT
01-11-2008 11:52 AM


Re: Your statements
rather than a bunch or organism's
How do you tell? Is a sponge a bunch of organisms or a single organism?
Re: Your statements (Message 221)
What's the problem? Evolution occurs within species, within populations.
The fact remains that "The genetic record does not contradict this. The fossil record does not contradict this. The history of natural life that we know does not contradict this."
The only difference you see is that once speciation has occurred that the different species evolve along different paths, as each evolves within the species, within the populations. As more time passes they can become more different. You don't see any different evolution or any other process.
Then why did you say?
Because it is true. It is just evolution - the change in hereditary traits in populations from generation to generation - plus speciation - the division of parent species into two or more daughter species. Speciation allows differences to accumulate, but the differences that accumulate are all due to evolution - the change in hereditary traits in populations from generation to generation - within each species.
No other process is needed to explain the evidence. The genetic record does not contradict this. The fossil record does not contradict this. The history of natural life that we know does not contradict this.
The reality is simple.
Enjoy.

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anglagard
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Message 252 of 295 (448051)
01-11-2008 7:56 PM
Reply to: Message 245 by ICANT
01-11-2008 5:30 PM


ICANT be Taken Seriously
I really am not sure of what your point is in even posting in this forum.
Are you a troll? comic relief? a complete idiot? In this thread alone:
You can't, or refuse, to follow a simple parable concerning walking from point A to point B.
You say that there is not enough time for life to evolve without any perceivable rationale, then turn around and say it took too long for life to get multicellular.
You say that there are not enough fossils, yet give no reason whatsoever as to why you are unsatisfied with the raw amount of fossils, not only in museums but also in huge formations of nothing but fossils. (hint - two entire buildings on my campus are made of limestone that is virtually nothing beside brachiopods and crinoids from a geologic formation beneath my very feet which extends all the way almost clean to the Arizona border, a distance of around 800 miles. This is only one formation of little more than fossils that number in the hundreds, even thousands, worldwide).
You first claim that Lucy is fake based upon the testimony of two West Texas hillbillys who obviously are nothing more than shills for Carl Baugh's bullshit, then when confronted by the fact that the actual Lucy fossil is at the Natural History Museum in Houston, right now, refuse to apologize for your obvious mistake.
Now, all chemicals are liquid What, now you deny the existence of solids and gasses?
The fake stance of asking questions to which you refuse to begin to even comprehend an answer is getting tiresome. I agree with Ned, you are just plain full of crap.
From here on, I will give you the greatest stretch of benefit of the doubt I can muster and consider you at best, a comedy act.
Well, you are funny, if not taken too seriously.
Edited by anglagard, : Complete an incomplete sentence

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The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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ICANT
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Message 253 of 295 (448061)
01-11-2008 8:19 PM
Reply to: Message 251 by RAZD
01-11-2008 7:32 PM


Re: Your statements
Hi RAZD,
How do you tell? Is a sponge a bunch of organisms or a single organism?
Another one of those trick questions.
A sponge is a unicellular animal that has no muscles, nerves or internal organs.
Have fun,

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ICANT
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Message 254 of 295 (448064)
01-11-2008 8:30 PM
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01-11-2008 7:01 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
Hi Percy,
Very believable.
Thank you for reading what I said not what everybody thought I should say.
I did leave out one solid chemical that I know a little about and that is fertilizer.
I use some other solid chemicals around the yard but all I know about them is that I buy they put them out and they work.
Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Phalanx
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Message 255 of 295 (448067)
01-11-2008 8:36 PM
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01-11-2008 8:19 PM


Re: Your statements
ICANT writes:
A sponge is a unicellular animal that has no muscles, nerves or internal organs.
Unicellular? Perhaps you should have kept reading the wikipedia page on sponges, specifically under the heading of anatomy and morphology.
A sponge is comprised of a number of different cells that all do very different things. A sponge does not have any muscles or internal organs because these other cells perform those functions. Yet, all of these cells work in conjunction with one another to produce a rather prodigious creature.

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