Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
I'm sure it comes as a surprise to everyone that such ignorance and confusion can persist across hundreds of posts of useful, relevant information.
I would like to examine some of that useful, relevant information if I may.
In
Message 45 subbie in answer to a question by jrtjr1 said:
jrtjr1 writes:
Great, give me an example of a transitional form.
subbie writes:
Here are an assload of 'em.
Very informative and educational.
In
Message 90 I asked a question. How did we get from there to here today.
jar informs me in
Message 99 jar writes:
one step at a time.
In
Message 100 I said:
ICANT writes:
Sorry jar with only 550 million years they had to be giant steps not small ones as there was not enough time for the small ones.
jar says in
Message 101 jar writes:
Five hundred and fifty million years is a long time.
I suppose compared to 3 billion years 550 million years is a long time. jar said so.
jar writes:
Now do you have anything related to the topic?
Since how we got from there to here is a scientfic theory that is taught as a fact I thought it was related to the topic.
So jar pointing out my stupid notion it was related was very enlightning.
Ringo was very helpful also.
Message 79 Ringo writes:
Now show us the barrier that prevents small steps adding up to big evolution.
Message 83 Ringo writes:
Where's the barrier to macroevolution?
Message 89 Ringo writes:
Where's the barrier between Lucy and you?
Message 92 Ringo writes:
I'm asking you where's the barrier that prevents Lucy (or something like her) from becoming human after many generations.
Message 95 Ringo writes:
And I've asked you repeatedly, where is the barrier that prevents a hominid contemporary to Lucy from micro-evolving into you?
Message 111 Ringo writes:
I'll give you one last chance to redeem yourself. Do you think there's a barrier that prevents small changes from one generation to the next adding up to big changes? If so, please tell us what that barrier is.
Message 117 Ringo writes:
I think I've been pretty clear throughout the thread. Big changes are from single-cell to Lucy or from Lucy to you. Specifically, what barrier prevents that?
Message 129 Ringo writes:
Show me the barrier to evolution and I'll believe in it.
Message 134 Ringo writes:
Why are you still avoiding the simple question? What prevents the changes from accumulating?
Iasion adds words of wisdom.
Message 137 Iasion writes:
Ringo (as she* so often does) asked just the right question -
what is the barrier between a Lucy-like creature evolving into us?
Not only does ICANT fail to identify a barrier, he can't even accept a POSSIBLE connection between Lucy and us.
Why do I have to accept a possible connection between Lucy and us?
Especially when I don't believe there is even a remote possibility of that being possible.
Message 145 Ringo writes:
All I'm asking is for any kind of evidence that the difference between you and your father can't be extended to the difference between you and Lucy.
Message 150 Ringo writes:
Oh come on. Transmute is the verb, transmutation is the noun. The meaning doesn't change.
Perfect information according to Ringo but not the dictionary.
Message 168 Ringo writes:
There's no "statement" there. It's a question. You claim there's a barrier. I'm saying, "Show me."
Ringo writes:
Of course I did. I said, "Show me the barrier." The barrier would be evidence. Your lame-assed "reasons" have no value whatsoever.
ICANT writes:
You are the one who keeps demanding that I name a barrier why Lucy can't be my ancestor. Which I have not and will not.
Ringo writes:
Thank you. You could have admitted that right from the beginning and saved a lot of wear and tear on my keyboard.
Really useful information.
Ringo asked 12 times for me to prove evolution did not take place.
Since when is it the responsibility of anyone to disprove something that has never been proven to be a fact in the first place?
Is this what you call useful, relevant information in a debate format. Now for more useful information.
In
Message 104 Ned gave some informative information in answer to a question I asked.
ICANT writes:
Why don't you prove that they are my ancestors?
NoseyNed writes:
No one is going to "prove" that. It is however the very most reasonable conclusion to draw from the current evidence.
He rightly said: "No one is going to "prove" that."
But Ringo insisted that I prove the opposite.
Ned says this is the very most reasonable conclusion to draw from the current evidence.
For someone who believes that is the way it happened it would be the best conclusion.
But for someone that does not believe it happened that way it is just as reasonable to come to the conclusion it did not happen that way.
Let me point out a real problem here.
When we talk about things evolving everything is reasonable to the evolutionist. But it is just as unreasonable to the creationist.
When we talk about the Bible everything is reasonable to the creationist. But is just as unreasonable to the evolutionist.
Makes for very little communication. Just a lot of name calling.
Message 127 Ned asked me who was my anscestor at the time of Lucy.
Message 131 ICANT writes:
Why do I have to have an ancestor at that time?
Ned replyed with a question.
NoseyNed writes:
Do you have parents?
Real informative but I don't happen to get the relevance since I do not believe I descended from anything other than a pair of 100% modern humans.
Message 167NoseyNed writes:
S.O.P. -- willful ignorance. Another write off.
Very useful.
DrJones has questions.
Message 183 ICANT writes:
With all these billions of creatures we should have a little more fossils than we have.
DrJones writes:
How many fossils should we have? show your work.
DrJones was refering to
Message 182 Where I had entered information concering the extinction events and was questioning out of these undoubtly billions of creatures why we did not have more fossils.
So he wanted me to prove how many there should be.
Yes very useful.
I am going to stop there but I think you should get the picture from these few posts that I have pointed too.
Then you Percy proceed in
Message 260 to tell me how ignorant I am because I had made a statement that all I knew about chemicals were liquid infering I knew nothing about the other chemicals.
Does it make you feel good to set on your high horse so to speak and talk down to everyone that comes on this site and claim to be a creationist Your attitude comes over to me as I am better than you I got a better education and you are just a stupid fool and I will show you for the idiot you are all the time telling them you are here for them to learn.
Makes you feel like God don't it. Did you know that is what Eve was trying to accomplish in the garden.
Percy you put your britches on the same way I do one leg at the time.
One day if I am right you will stand before the God you say does not exist and bow your knee and confess that He is God. I will be standing there and I will say I told you so.
If you are right you got nothing to lose.
Now as far as this statement:
Percy writes:
why are you here?
I stated in the beginning I was here to learn and whether you believe it or not I have been able to learn a lot from research and reading different posts. RAZD, Modulous, and sidelined have been of tremendous help. A few others have been of help. But all the creationist bashers have been of absolutly 0 help, as they are to involved in their agenda. I have even learned from you Percy.
Now if you want to rephrase the question and ask why I am still here I have an answer for that one. Because I am not going to go away.
Now I am sure that if you so desire with a few mouse strokes you could make me disappear. That is up to you.
Have fun,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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