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ringo
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Message 134 of 295 (447268)
01-08-2008 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by ICANT
01-08-2008 4:59 PM


Re: Re-Transition
ICANT writes:
You said:
quote:
So there's already a change there, a transmutation, if you like.
implying transmutation and transition are the same thing. They are not.
According to Dictionary.com:
quote:
trans·mute
-verb (used with object), verb (used without object), -mut·ed, -mut·ing. to change from one nature, substance, form, or condition into another; transform.
[Origin: 1400-50; late ME < L trnsmtre to shift, equiv. to trns- trans- + mtre to change.]

A transmutation is a change - not necessarily the magical ape-to-man-right-before-your-eyes change that you're demanding to see, just a change. There is nothing in the word to suggest it can't refer to change from one generation to the next - and I think I've been very clear that we are only talking about changes from one generation to the next.
Why are you still avoiding the simple question? What prevents the changes from accumulating?

“If you had half a brain, wouldn't you have realized after the second time, that it was you, not God?” -- riVeRraT
“The endearing controvertist! One needs to become acute in the ploys of his kind.” -- ThreeDogs

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ringo
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Message 145 of 295 (447311)
01-08-2008 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by ICANT
01-08-2008 7:30 PM


Re: Re-Barrier
ICANT writes:
You want to believe it can be done and it doesn't make any difference what anyone says you are going to believe it can be done.
Not at all. I couldn't care less whether evolution is true or false, any more than I could care less whether it's possible to walk from British Columbia to Newfoundland. I don't "want to believe" anything.
All I'm asking (still) is for any kind of evidence that a walk to the corner store can't be extended to a walk across the country. All I'm asking is for any kind of evidence that the difference between you and your father can't be extended to the difference between you and Lucy.
If you can produce such evidence, I'll be only too glad to accept it.
Prove it and I will believe it.
You're the one who claims such an obstacle exists. The onus is on you to show that it does.
Edited by Ringo, : Spelkling.

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“The endearing controvertist! One needs to become acute in the ploys of his kind.” -- ThreeDogs

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ringo
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Message 150 of 295 (447322)
01-08-2008 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by ICANT
01-08-2008 8:43 PM


Re: Re-Transition
ICANT writes:
I don't remember using the word transmute for anything.
Oh come on. Transmute is the verb, transmutation is the noun. The meaning doesn't change. There is nothing in the definition of either word that requires the change to happen magically before your eyes.
And I am accused of not debating in good faith.
I don't think you've been accused of anything. I mentioned that you demonstrate an inability to debate in good faith. You continue to do so.
Still waiting for you to show us that barrier.

“If you had half a brain, wouldn't you have realized after the second time, that it was you, not God?” -- riVeRraT
“The endearing controvertist! One needs to become acute in the ploys of his kind.” -- ThreeDogs

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 168 of 295 (447353)
01-08-2008 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by ICANT
01-08-2008 10:07 PM


Re: Re-Barrier
ICANT writes:
You could have fooled me spending as much time as you have trying to convince me as you have.
As I said, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I'm just helping you show the readers how utterly bankrupt your position is.
But upon further review I have come to the conclusion that there is evidence that it is impossible. For some.
Irrelevant. It only has to be possible for one to be possible. Just like evolution only has to happen once.
quote:
I think I've been pretty clear throughout the thread. Big changes are from single-cell to Lucy or from Lucy to you. Specifically, what barrier prevents that?
Would you care to back up the above statement with evidence?
There's no "statement" there. It's a question. You claim there's a barrier. I'm saying, "Show me."
You did not ask for evidence.
Of course I did. I said, "Show me the barrier." The barrier would be evidence. Your lame-assed "reasons" have no value whatsoever.
Since you have taken the affirmitave side that it did happen....
I most certainly have not. All I've done is ask for evidence that it's impossible.
You are the one who keeps demanding that I name a barrier why Lucy can't be my ancestor. Which I have not and will not.
Thank you. You could have admitted that right from the beginning and saved a lot of wear and tear on my keyboard.

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“The endearing controvertist! One needs to become acute in the ploys of his kind.” -- ThreeDogs

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 263 of 295 (448203)
01-12-2008 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by ICANT
01-12-2008 11:49 AM


ICANT writes:
Ringo asked 12 times for me to prove evolution did not take place.
No I didn't.
I asked you to show that it's impossible - that there's a barrier.
Why do I have to accept a possible connection between Lucy and us?
Especially when I don't believe there is even a remote possibility of that being possible.
When did I ever ask you to believe anything? You're welcome to believe that it isn't possible. I think I've told you that I couldn't possibly care less what you believe.
This is a science forum and I asked you to show why it isn't possible.

“If you had half a brain, wouldn't you have realized after the second time, that it was you, not God?” -- riVeRraT (see context here)
“The endearing controvertist! One needs to become acute in the ploys of his kind.” -- ThreeDogs

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 266 of 295 (448264)
01-12-2008 7:11 PM
Reply to: Message 265 by ICANT
01-12-2008 6:25 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
ICANT writes:
But is there anyway I can prove it was impossible for me to evolve from Lucy without proving it did not happen?
Of course there is. Going back to the analogy, I'm asking you to prove I can't walk from coast to coast. I'm not asking you to prove I didn't do it.
Whether it happened or not is completely irrelevant to the question.

“If you had half a brain, wouldn't you have realized after the second time, that it was you, not God?” -- riVeRraT (see context here)
“The endearing controvertist! One needs to become acute in the ploys of his kind.” -- ThreeDogs

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