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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2669 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
You're off to a roaring start.
Since you are a new member, I would like to remind you of 3 things (tho others have mentioned them previously): 1. This is a science thread. Which means, when discussing a science topic, you are obligated to provide evidence of your assertions. 2. You need to stay on topic. 3. It would do you a world of good to read a thread before responding.
Okay, is there any transitional evidence for the eyelid or any other of modern mans parts or functions? The transitional "forms" of the eyelid have been covered in detail in this thread.
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Aladon Junior Member (Idle past 5944 days) Posts: 22 From: Scotland Joined: |
quote:Well Adam would have been a herbivore as you call it. Thats why God gave him that organ. AS for Coccyx, it is just the end of the vertebral column that supports the head at its beginning and it must end somewhere. Wherever it ends, evolutionists will be sure to call it a vestigial tail.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4042 Joined: Member Rating: 7.7 |
Well Adam would have been a herbivore as you call it. Thats why God gave him that organ. The Bible makes no mention of Adam eating cellulose based plant matter. Just fruit, which is much different. Aside from that, vestigial features don;t occur within a single species (as in, you don't find a feature in a species, and then several generations later find that same feature in the same species is now useless and vestigial).
AS for Coccyx, it is just the end of the vertebral column that supports the head at its beginning and it must end somewhere. Wherever it ends, evolutionists will be sure to call it a vestigial tail. This is the tailbone. Notice the fused, vestigial vertebrae at the end (technically, the whole of the coccyx is 4-5 fused vertebrae). If it was not a vestigial tail, we should simply see it end, and not have the extraneous section. Hell, the entire coccyx is attached after the hips. An un-evolved spinal column, intelligently designed if you will, should simply not have the coccyx at all. It's extraneous. It's useless. It's vestigial. Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
As mobil... noted. This is NOT the topic here.
Unfortunately I'm going to be gone for a couple of days so I hope someone else suspends the next person who wanders off topic. I do soo hate to miss the chance myself.
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5899 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
AS for Coccyx, it is just the end of the vertebral column that supports the head at its beginning and it must end somewhere. Wherever it ends, evolutionists will be sure to call it a vestigial tail. If that's the case, don't you find it just a bit odd that the very poorly developed (and often absent) extensor coccygis muscle in humans that attaches to the coccyx is functionally identical (and attached the same place in the same way) as the dorsal sacrococcygeal muscle in animals with tails? Which said animals use to raise their tails? I always thought that was a pretty good indicator the coccyx was a "vestigial" tail. But hey, what do I know? Added by edit: Sorry Nosey. I'll shut up. Edited by Quetzal, : No reason given. Edited by Quetzal, : Too many "c"s
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4042 Joined: Member Rating: 7.7 |
Well Adam would have been a herbivore as you call it. Thats why God gave him that organ. AS for Coccyx, it is just the end of the vertebral column that supports the head at its beginning and it must end somewhere. Wherever it ends, evolutionists will be sure to call it a vestigial tail. Let's bring things back on topic then. As posted earlier in this thread, humans have a vestigial remnant of the nictitating membrane and some of the musculature that it would use were it still present. This is a vestigial feature, and nictitating membranes are a similar structure to eyelids. Note, however, that some creatures (like cats) have both - eyelids did not arise from nictitating membranes, but it would appear that, in some species (like us) eyelids have replaced them. Neither of your comments addressed that. Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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Aladon Junior Member (Idle past 5944 days) Posts: 22 From: Scotland Joined: |
You didn't notice the reason why we went off topic? As is normally the case in such discussions, evolutionists make sweeping scientific claims with NO evidence whatsoever. I was challenging that.
I refer you to 'God did it', not being a mechanism, etc. Sorry for breathing - it's an involuntary function. Some kind of deal between my brain and my lungs apparently. Edited by Aladon, : missed a bit
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Aladon Junior Member (Idle past 5944 days) Posts: 22 From: Scotland Joined: |
Let's bring things back on topic then. As posted earlier in this thread, humans have a vestigial remnant of the nictitating membrane and some of the musculature that it would use were it still present. This is a vestigial feature, and nictitating membranes are a similar structure to eyelids. Note, however, that some creatures (like cats) have both - eyelids did not arise from nictitating membranes, but it would appear that, in some species (like us) eyelids have replaced them. Neither of your comments addressed that. Can we look at why evolutionists are clutching at this word - Vestigial.Vestigial = Relating to a body part that has become small and lost its use because of evolutionary change. The American Heritage Science Dictionary I cannot discuss eyelids without first discussing this word and it's misuse. Is that permitted on this thread or must we start another and come back here once we have established some rules on the use of language?
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Vacate Member (Idle past 4628 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
As is normally the case in such discussions, evolutionists make sweeping scientific claims with NO evidence whatsoever. I was challenging that. Incorrect.
Given that you have shown a decided lack of knowledge on regarding the word theory as it is used in science, and making reference to panspermia as if this has anything to do with ToE, I would suggest you simply ask the questions and lay off the challenges. Your challenges are simply off topic and your binging them up only shows your lack of knowledge regarding the discussion.
I refer you to 'God did it', not being a mechanism Exactly my point. Go back and read Rhavins explanation again and perhaps you will understand its importance and its relevance to the questions you have put forward. The "reason why we went off topic" is likely because you are challenging something you have little knowledge about. Try asking, learning, and showing progress as to what ToE really is about instead of what you think its about. I am enjoying Rhavins contributions to this thread and hope to see it continue. *Topic* Did Eyelids Evolve?
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Aladon Junior Member (Idle past 5944 days) Posts: 22 From: Scotland Joined: |
Yet another 'off topic' post about off topic posts.
Yes, have a go at my lack of knowledge.(your opinion) I didn't know I was in the company of such brilliant scholars. By the way, you're very aggressive. Okay, so we cant make challenges if we fall below a certain bar of learning. Okay - noted. Any threads on Sesame Street?
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3625 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
Welcome to the asylum, Aladon. Just pull up a rubber floor and make yourself at home.
I want everybody to know that I deny the existence of denial.
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Aladon Junior Member (Idle past 5944 days) Posts: 22 From: Scotland Joined: |
Thanks for the welcome.
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Vacate Member (Idle past 4628 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
Yet another 'off topic' post about off topic posts. My apologies, my intent was to possibly suggest a method that could be both beneficial for further discussion and leading to further learning on your part (and mine).
Yes, have a go at my lack of knowledge.(your opinion) Further explanations about your lack of knowledge on the subject will likely be interpreted as insults. My opinion is simply based on your misconceptions about the Theory of Evolution and the inevitable result of those misconceptions being off topic and incorrect statements.
I didn't know I was in the company of such brilliant scholars. I had thought you to be one:
message 72 writes: You are not really examining the facts in a scholarly manner. By the way, you're very aggressive. I had my coffee and cigarette but forgot my smilies.
Okay, so we cant make challenges if we fall below a certain bar of learning. Making challenges based upon false information is generally not a good idea. Asking direct questions about the topic without immediatly expressing your bias and false assumptions could in fact lead to you learning something before expressing incorrect facts. This is hardly conductive to an informed discussion:
quote: Based upon what I have read in your post I would suggest instead of saying "you replace 'God created it that way', with - 'it evolved'. you instead ask "what is the difference between "goddidit" and "it evolved"? (its much less agressive) Instead of saying "Excuse me, evolution has no mechanism...." you instead say "what exactly do you mean about evolution having a mechanism?" (its much less agressive) Instead of saying "Oh dear. You've obviously never read the The Origin of Species then?" you instead say "my understanding of evolution differs from yours, perhaps you could correct me in a my possible misunderstandings?" (its much less agressive, but admittedly sounding a bit like a kiss ass) If you can weed out the misconceptions its completely possible that you have an ace up your sleeve. Silly things such as "its only a theory" won't win you many points here however.
I cannot discuss eyelids without first discussing this word and it's misuse. Is that permitted on this thread or must we start another and come back here once we have established some rules on the use of language? Why not simply accept the definition as described regardless of whether you actually believe in it. For the purpose of this thread you appear to be aware of what is meant by the term. I think a great question regarding this would be:
Rhavin writes: you don't have nictitating membranes. You have a vestigial remnant of them left over from an evolutionary precursor Rhavin, or whoever - Why do you say that humans have vestigial nictitating membranes? What evidence supports this idea?
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Aladon Junior Member (Idle past 5944 days) Posts: 22 From: Scotland Joined: |
Well thank you for the lesson.
Okay,just one tiny point, off topic of course.
If you can weed out the misconceptions its completely possible that you have an ace up your sleeve. Silly things such as "its only a theory" won't win you many points here however. I assume that advice applies to everyone and that if I detect any misconceptions I am allowed to say something? There does seem to be a contempt for anything Biblical but total respect for anything pro-evolution scientific. That makes debates debatable to say the least; very imbalanced. So, eyelids. Great little things. Fascinating that they allow just enough light through to wake you up naturally in the morning. Edited by Aladon, : I didn't spoll preperly
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Aladon Junior Member (Idle past 5944 days) Posts: 22 From: Scotland Joined: |
I didn't know I was in the company of such brilliant scholars. I had thought you to be one: Smoothie!
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