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Message 17 of 61 (448301)
01-12-2008 10:22 PM

Reply to: Message 16 by sidelined
01-12-2008 6:05 PM

Re: No Merit !

Hi Sidelined,

I guess the ID hypothesis has no merit worth defending then.

I am a creationist and I agree it stinks.

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Message 19 of 61 (448697)
01-14-2008 8:21 PM

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01-14-2008 7:20 PM

Re: No Merit !

Hi MikeMcC,

I assume a believer of creationism would claim irreducible complexity in somethings seen in nature.......

Put your reading glasses on or get a magnifying glass and read my post again.

I said it stinks.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 21 of 61 (448847)
01-15-2008 1:16 PM

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01-15-2008 6:14 AM

Re: No Merit !

Hi bluescat48,

Thats something creationists & evolutionists agreeing on something.

I agree with evolutionists in a lot of things I agree with sidelined on a lot more things.

My only problem starts when we get to the orgin of things.
I say I believe God did it. (a dirty statement around here).
Science says hold on there just a minute we don't think it happened that way.

I ask, Well how did it happen? Science says "we don't know" then imply but you can't be right.

Then I am so unlearned in the sciences that I am constantly opening my mouth and sticking my foot in it as I am sure you have noticed.

I said one time I was going to ask a stupid question on this site and I believe it was sidelined that said the only stupid question it the one that is not asked. I think he was implying if I want to learn I got to ask questions. I also think I have to make statements, then I get hammered, then I have to go study, in the end I gain knowledge.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 24 of 61 (448985)
01-15-2008 8:35 PM

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01-15-2008 1:47 PM

Re: No Merit !

Hi Percy,

No just hammer away I learn better that way.

I did attribute that thing about the question to sidelined when it was actually cavediver who made the statement.

Percy writes:

Before you get hammered, do you want to take a moment and rethink whether this is really what we've been saying?

Maybe I should clarify the two questions I am refering too, before I get hammered too hard.

I have asked on at least three different occasions the following questions this will make the fourth time.

1. Where did the singularity come from that our universe came from? Best answer so far we don't know.

2. Where did life come from? Best answer so far. We don't know.

Now if someone gave a better answers than these and I missed them I would appreciate it if someone would point them out to me.

I know these have nothing to do with evolution and have been told so many times. I understand that.

I do get the impression around here that most are saying but you can't be right when I say God did it.

I do know there are some around here that do not share that view.

Percy my point is we can agree on some things (the point in this thread being one of them) and disagree on others. There are somethings I know quite a bit about. There are some things I know a little about. There are some things I have to go look and see what I can find and learn about them. Here I have to take what someone says.

So hammer away.

And be sure to have fun in the process,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 28 of 61 (449023)
01-16-2008 12:55 AM

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01-15-2008 10:33 PM

Re: No Merit !

Hi sidelined,

sidelined writes:

That is not entirely correct. We have not yet established the correct answer to that question however there are models that can be suggested that utilize present knowledge in order to explain the universe.

I am aware of the string theory and there are many, I am also aware of the superstring theory.

As far as I am concerned it will create a bigger problem than exists now. As I will ask where that universe came from and we can go back into infinity.

I am aware of theories of the orgin of life and how there are those that have tried and are still trying to produce life.

So if you would like to give me a better answer than "we don't know" give it a go. Three of the regulars on here have given these answers in answer to my questions.

And that is not entirely correct is not a sufficient answer as it is an opinion.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 31 of 61 (449079)
01-16-2008 2:57 PM

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01-16-2008 7:51 AM

Re: No Merit !

Hi Percy,

That didn't hurt too bad. The hammering.

Percy writes:

It's worth pointing out that you're yet another example of someone arguing for God in the science threads,

If my eyes don't deceive me in your quote of me I said: "I say I believe God did it."

I think the words I believe qualify my statement to mean that is my personal belief.

I also said I think ID stinks. Maybe that was a bad choice of words.
Maybe I should have said I do not believe ID in its present state should be taught in the public school system.

But there are things that is taught in the name of science that should not be taught at this time either.

Percy the fact is as of now:

I cannot prove my belief that God did it, is the correct answer. I have enough evidence for me to conclude that it is the best answer. But at some point in the future I expect to be able to prove that He did.

Science cannot prove the theories of how everything started as of today. It has been proven to some as to be accepted as fact or at least the best possible answer. But at some point in the future It is expected to be able to do so.

Until then you have a theory, I have a theory, jar has a theory, and ID has a theory and I am sure there are many more out there.

Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 32 of 61 (449082)
01-16-2008 3:07 PM

Reply to: Message 30 by Percy
01-16-2008 8:06 AM

Re: No Merit !

Hi Percy,

I missed this one.

Percy writes:

"God did it" scenario, then yes, we're telling you you're wrong, at least from a scientific perspective.

I got no problem with that.

I am just telling you that from a spiritual perspective you are wrong.

BTW when science proves that the universe and the earth are much older than is now claimed you heard it here first and I got that from the Bible.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 36 of 61 (451605)
01-28-2008 4:36 AM

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01-28-2008 2:55 AM

Re: MEN?

Hi Heinrik,

Until you stop believing God is a he, you will never find HER.

OK jar replacement

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Message 38 of 61 (451638)
01-28-2008 10:03 AM

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01-28-2008 5:19 AM

Re: MEN?

Hi Heinrik,

Heinrik writes:

I must say I am bemused by this response.

This is a statement jar has made probably 20 times in the last 10 months.

Heinrik writes:

I was making a point that god could be female.

So was the man refered to as Jesus in the New Testament a she?

He said if you have seen me ye have seen the father.

We are totaly off subject and I will not respone again.

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Message 41 of 61 (451683)
01-28-2008 12:58 PM

Reply to: Message 34 by Percy
01-16-2008 4:35 PM

Re: No Merit !

Hi Percy,

Percy writes:

You continue to misuse the word "prove" with regard to science.

You probably right Percy but I can not find the handy Scientific Dictionary on the internet.

I can find:Prove Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster which says:

1archaic : to learn or find out by experience
2 a: to test the truth, validity, or genuineness of

I also find:Prove legal definition of prove which says: prove v. to present evidence and/or logic that makes a fact seem certain.

On Theory I found this:Theory Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena

Also this

1: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another
2: abstract thought : speculation

Since your definition is so much different from what I can find you are probably right when you infer I don't have a theory.

But according to these dictionary definitions I believe I do. Now I don't claim to have a scientific theory.

Now that I can not find the scientific dictionary could you point me to one.

Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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