Defining Unconditional love

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Yes, they can. You only have to read the bible to know that His feelings were wounded again and again.

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Yeah, but that God also makes mistakes, gets pissed off, throws tantrums, is jealous, vengeful and spiteful, creates people in full awareness that they would reject him, seemingly for no other reason than to send them to hell, regrets his actions, is foiled in his efforts by humans with chariots, walks around on Earth and eats with people, etc.In other words, He's written more like a human with superpowers than the All-Loving, Omnicient and Omnipotent God that Controls Everything in the Universe With Perfect Precision most Christians say they believe in.

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Familiarize yourself with the biblical term reprobate, what it is and when it happens.

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Right. God's love is conditional.

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Your observation is entirely your own, much more, you are entitled to have it.

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I know that, thanks.How about addressing the issue of God's love being very conditional, and that this seems to contradict the "God is Love" description we hear from Christians.

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Are you now, in your life, punished for wrongdoing? If you don't believe in His existence, why do you ask such questions?

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Because this thread is about unconditional love, and somebody asked if God's love could be considered uncondional.If the OT of the Bible is to be believed, God's love is most definitely not unconditional.Do you agree of disagree? Why or why not? Edited by nator, : No reason given.

Amen, I truly wish you could read your own post objectively. It blows me away.Yes, you do think for yourself but look at your thoughts! Good god, how many millions of people over thousands of years have had those same thoughts and beliefs? I find it utterly incredible.Edited by Heinrik, : No reason given.

Hi nator,What is wrong with God having conditional love?You have conditional love. Don't get me wrong I think you can have unconditional love for some people, objects, animals, programs But to have unconditional love you would have to love everyone and everything the same way without strings attached.
Since we have spared a couple of rounds I think I would have to die before you could say you loved everyone and everything unconditionally. God is capable of unconditional love after you meet his requirement.So I ask you the question I asked ThreeDogs.What do I have to do to get God's unconditional love?Much has been said in this thread about obtaining someone's unconditional love.So would you care to inform me what I would have to do to receive that unconditional love of God. You know that God has conditions could you point them out to me. I really want to make sure I do things right. What I think may be wrong and you might be able to straighten me out.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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What is wrong with God having conditional love?

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Nothing at all.I'm just pointing out the contradiction that many Christians display of characterizing God as "pure love", or similar.

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God is capable of unconditional love after you meet his requirement.

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If you had to do something to get it, then it isn't unconditional.It would be like an offer for a "free" magazine subscription after you pay an initial $50. It doesn't matter how many years of free magazines you get after that, you will have always initially paid $50.The only truly free magazine subscription would be one that you didn't have to pay anything for, ever.Edited by nator, : No reason given.

Hi nator, I asked you to tell me what the condition was that I would have to meet to earn God's unconditional love and I get: If that was the case I would have to agree with you.But what if I told you that if you wanted this free magazine all you would have to do is believe that I would give it to you, and accept it as a free gift.Have fun,Remember this magazine is a free gift if you meet my conditions.Would it be a free magazine?

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

If you read my post, I talked about Jesus Christ taking all our sins and died for them. You still haven't realized it, have you? Your freedom is limited. If your not a leader, your a follower of 1. Everyone, including myself has made choices in their lives, yet we already make choices, of which are out of our control.What would you say, if I told you that "you can't think for yourself, but God does the thinking for you"? Edited by Amen., : No reason given.

[What is wrong with God having conditional love?]If you don't know then God help us!

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But what if I told you that if you wanted this free magazine all you would have to do is believe that I would give it to you, and accept it as a free gift.

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That analogy doesn't fit, since other people can see that I'm getting the free magazines.It would be like Kissing Hank's Ass.

Hi nator, OK lets take it a step further then.
What if I said anybody that meets this simple requirement could have the magazine free also?Have fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Okey dokey. lol. Indeed.

Yes nator, I'll be there counting my money and laughing.

Amen, I don't think I made the point I was trying to make. I found your thinking to be stuck in the past. The world has completely changed and yet you hold on to these mythical ideas from a different time and place.Don't you think it may be time to challenge your thinking and give yourself a chance to come up with original thought based in today's reality?

Well thats what I was taught in public school! They don't teach you to think about the future in history class, but I do know 1 thing and that is "Everyone can learn from the past" which I think can help us create a brighter future. I'm not stuck in the past, you on the other hand, seem to focus on the future. Sure there are bad things in the past, but we can try to understand them and correct its mistakes, though in todays society, there are those who work in a fashion, of which more often corrupts certain aspects of todays society, when trying to learn from its past. If I was to not learn from the past, then I would help others corrupt the todays society, which I have no intentions of doing.Edited by Amen., : No reason given.

Where have your beliefs changed from the past? How have you learned from the past when you just repeat the same ideas? Do you really believe you will be cast down into a lake of fire? When did that ever happen?
If you aren't meaning these ideas to be taken literally, then what do you mean?

I've most definitely changed my beliefs from the past. Whatever I repeat from the past is to be considered "valuable" information to me and others. yes I do and I was cast down to Hell. I died from pneumonia, my mother was crying next to me, my father started to comfort my mother, though he kept close to my mother, he also feared she would try to kill herself. I was 16 yrs old and I didn't believe in God. I rejected God and cursed his name for the pain this world caused me. I was dead for a minute and 43 seconds, though it felt like I suffered for years in Hell. I still can't forget what I saw and I never will forget the pain I felt, It is 1 trillion times as painful, as this world will ever be. I'm thankful and am glad to have been given a 2nd chance.As always, some people will never believe something, that is until they see it, then they'll wish they never had. I do mean them to be taken literally, just because some people don't take them literally, it doesn't mean I don't want them to be.by the way who are you to judge me?some of the judges in the court like to think they have some authority, but as always, people like to think they have something, of which they will never have. People always want what they cant have. You want to be loved by God, but are not willing to obey him, therefor you would like to think your going to heaven anyway, but the truth is, some of the things you might want, you just can't have and will never have. People try to make everything so difficult nowadays, what ever happen to "KISS". you know what I mean? Keep It Simple Stupid.