Honour Amongst Christians

The honourable approach would be to volunteer to go to Hell. You'd be standing by your brother, loving your neighbour as yourself, trying to make Hell a better place.

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“If you had half a brain, wouldn't you have realized after the second time, that it was you, not God?” -- riVeRraT (see context here)“The endearing controvertist! One needs to become acute in the ploys of his kind.” -- ThreeDogs

That's the bottom line, isn't it? They've invented a car that explodes when you turn left. The honourable thing to do would be to recall the product and fix the problems.Instead, they claim that it's your choice to turn left, so it's your fault the car exploded. They think an honourable salesman is one who tells you, "Don't turn left."But a truly honourable saleaman would be one who refused to sell a defective product and worked toward making it safer.

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“If you had half a brain, wouldn't you have realized after the second time, that it was you, not God?” -- riVeRraT (see context here)“The endearing controvertist! One needs to become acute in the ploys of his kind.” -- ThreeDogs

Both, obviously. You've stated your opinion. And you've stated your analogy over and over again. Deal with mine.How is it honourable to knowingly manufacture or sell a defective or dangerous product? I picture you in a plaid suit that used to be a Volkswagen seat-cover.

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“If you had half a brain, wouldn't you have realized after the second time, that it was you, not God?” -- riVeRraT (see context here)“The endearing controvertist! One needs to become acute in the ploys of his kind.” -- ThreeDogs

Well, the product is the whole interpretation of the Bible that you're trying to sell and the dangerous side-effect is the bursting-into-flames part.The question is, why would I buy a car from you when I can go down the street to Buddha Motors and get one that will never explode. Why wouldn't I prefer the more honourable salesman who sells a safe product?For that matter, why wouldn't I go across the street to Jar Motors and buy the same turbocharged 2008 Christian that you sell, but warranteed against explosions?

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“If you had half a brain, wouldn't you have realized after the second time, that it was you, not God?” -- riVeRraT (see context here)“The endearing controvertist! One needs to become acute in the ploys of his kind.” -- ThreeDogs

The trouble is that you're telling me my house will burn down if I don't buy the insurance. That sounds more like a protection racket than an honourable business.

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“If you had half a brain, wouldn't you have realized after the second time, that it was you, not God?” -- riVeRraT (see context here)“The endearing controvertist! One needs to become acute in the ploys of his kind.” -- ThreeDogs

You seem to forget that it was your company that started the fire. Even if the intent was to torch my neighbour Satan, even if it was my choice to build so close to him, it's still your fire that's causing my problem.Instead of trying to sell me an insurance policy, the honourable approach would be to pay for the damage.

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“If you had half a brain, wouldn't you have realized after the second time, that it was you, not God?” -- riVeRraT (see context here)“The endearing controvertist! One needs to become acute in the ploys of his kind.” -- ThreeDogs

The neighbourhood is irrelevant and how I got there is irrelevant. The problem is that your "company" started a fire that threatens to destroy my house. Ethically, your company is responsible for the damage.

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“If you had half a brain, wouldn't you have realized after the second time, that it was you, not God?” -- riVeRraT (see context here)“The endearing controvertist! One needs to become acute in the ploys of his kind.” -- ThreeDogs

Again, whether or not I can bail out is irrelevant. The point here is that the one who started the fire is responsible for the damage. It's dishonorable to make excuses for the firebug.

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“If you had half a brain, wouldn't you have realized after the second time, that it was you, not God?” -- riVeRraT (see context here)“The endearing controvertist! One needs to become acute in the ploys of his kind.” -- ThreeDogs

You're still missing the point. It's not about "insurance" at all.Your boss started the fire. He'd be facing criminal charges if he wan't the police department too.Ethically, honorably, he's responsible for any damages caused by the fire, even if we don't have the power to collect. And instead of recognizing your boss' misconduct and expecting him to behave in an honourable way, you're making excuses for him.No honour among thieves, I guess.(Bear in mind that I don't believe for one second your claim that your boss started the fire or that I'm in any danger from the fire. If there was a fire threatening me, I believe your boss would do the honourable thing and help me out, without expecting anything in return.)

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“If you had half a brain, wouldn't you have realized after the second time, that it was you, not God?” -- riVeRraT (see context here)“The endearing controvertist! One needs to become acute in the ploys of his kind.” -- ThreeDogs

No, I wasn't jerking your chain. I was just pointing out that the God you describe is nothing but a petty criminal, an arsonist, a crooked cop, an extortionist, a con artist.The real God (if there is one) couldn't be anything like what you imagine.

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“If you had half a brain, wouldn't you have realized after the second time, that it was you, not God?” -- riVeRraT (see context here)“The endearing controvertist! One needs to become acute in the ploys of his kind.” -- ThreeDogs

That's what I've been saying. You, on the other hand, have been saying that some long-gone ancestor of mine made a decision that doomed me to a fiery hell.I'm just saying that I don't find your story remotely plausible. And even if it was plausible, the god you describe isn't remotely honourable. Even if you're right about him, I don't want to be on his side. To paraphrase Satan, it's more honourable to burn than to grovel.

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“If you had half a brain, wouldn't you have realized after the second time, that it was you, not God?” -- riVeRraT (see context here)“The endearing controvertist! One needs to become acute in the ploys of his kind.” -- ThreeDogs