Why Would a Loving God Create Hell?

Hi Granny, You are entitled to your opinion. But that does not change the fact. You don't get it do you.
It is not God saying love me or burn.
There is two places to stay in the afterlife
Gods estate or the devils estate.
Your ancestor and mine made a decision that got us evicted from God's estate.You can blame God for our ancestor's choice all you want you can not change the fact that he made the decision.In Message 129 I used A hypothetical scenario in which I evicted iceage from my estate.
That meant his descendants had no claim to live in my estate.But what would keep me from offering his descendants an opportunity to live in my estate.All they would have to do is meet whatever requirement I set up.If they did not want to accept my requirements then they could live in the estate that iceage had provided for them.That is the same with God.The first man has provided your estate that you are to abide in.God says OK the first man messed things up for everyone. But I am a loving caring God and I have no desire to see mankind living in the estate that Adam provided for them he was not a good provider.I still have the beautiful estate with plenty of room so I will make a way that Adam's descendants can come live in my estate.I know what I will do I will let my Son pay the debt to make things right where they can come live in my estate. So He allowed His Son to die to pay that debt.Now the debt has been paid. Granny your debt has been paid.
An offer for you to live in God's estate has been extended.
There are some requirements for this to happen.First you would have to believe that He is and that this estate exists.
Then you would have to believe that the offer was genuine.
Then you would have to accept the offer.
But on the other hand you could refuse the offer.If you refuse God's offer don't blame God for your fate.Have fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

You need to understand how a pardon works. Once a pardon is granted, you do not have the choice to turn it down. It is a done deal. It is not something you get to accept or reject.The message is "No one is damned. There is no Original Sin. You don't have to do anything more than honestly try to do your best."

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

The topic is: Why would God create Hell in the first place?Why would a parent dig a tiger trap right between the swings and the sandbox?

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“If you had half a brain, wouldn't you have realized after the second time, that it was you, not God?” -- riVeRraT (see context here)“The endearing controvertist! One needs to become acute in the ploys of his kind.” -- ThreeDogs

Hi jar, You are entitled to your opinion.
I am entitled to my opinion.
God is entitled to His opinion.
Guess what, when it comes to heaven and the requirements for entry the only opinion that counts is God's Pardon - Wikipediajar this is the definition I used when I started talking about a pardon if it does not meet your requirements I can not help that.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Right, and according to God, the Christian God, it is a done deal. Done for all mankind. No need for belief, no need for profession. Unless that is, your God is Evil.see Who can be saved? A Christian perspective.Edited by jar, : add link

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Hi Ringo, This was answered in Message 102It has been answered in a couple of other messages as well.In one of your favorite passages Jesus says: "Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:"That says God created the everlasting fire, or hell if you prefer for the devil and his angels.nuf said: I didn't know anyone had. But what has that got to do with the topic?Have fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

ICANT, I love the way you refer to your religious opinion as fact. Therein lies the problem. If we are barred from God's estate, for whatever reason, the only other place we can go is the devil's estate, and that place is run by a psychopathic torturer. A torturer who was specifically sent there by God. So we have a situation where God denies access to his estate to those who did not believe in him. At the same time, God has made sure that the only other estate in existence is occupied by the devil, leaving us literally between hell and a hard place. This makes us effectively refugees from hell. Civilised people do not send others to face torture. That would be considered a breach of human rights. The proper thing to do is to offer asylum to those who are at risk of torture. God (in your version of things) is willing to refuse asylum to those who fail to get the right answer to his little guessing game :"Does God exist?" Get this right, despite having absolutely no evidence to guide you, and even a good deal of evidence to mislead you, and God will relent.
That is no way to run an asylum policy.This would not be such a problem if belief in God were a simple matter of fact, but the truth is that there is no evidence for God's existence. Since you are a creationist, you must believe that God deliberately created the world. Yet he has left us with no evidence of his authorship. This is what makes your version of God's bargain so disgusting. Your god is playing us at a game, where the stakes are our souls and the odds are stacked in favour of the house. So if I believed in God, and agreed to his offer, but still hated him for his cruelty and expressed my disapproval of his behaviour, would he accept that? Or must I love Big Brother as well?

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Mutate and Survive

I don't see anything in that message that remotely addresses the issue of why God would create Hell. "Hell was created for the devil and his angels" doesn't explain why it was created. "People make their own choice to go there" doesn't explain why it was created.It's an irresponsible parent who creates an attracive nuisance for his children. Knowing that they play around the swings and the sandbox, he would reasonably conclude that the tiger trap would be a danger to them. Knowing their curious nature, he would reasonable conclude that warning signs wouldn't keep them away from it. Regardless of how serious the tiger problem might be, no reasonable, responsible parent would solve it in that way - by putting putting his children in more danger instead of less.The answer to "Why Would a Loving God Create Hell?" is "He wouldn't."

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“If you had half a brain, wouldn't you have realized after the second time, that it was you, not God?” -- riVeRraT (see context here)“The endearing controvertist! One needs to become acute in the ploys of his kind.” -- ThreeDogs

ICANT Not me at all but the Bible makes these statements. However,of course, you will reword this to say that they actually mean the sons of men. Of course there were witnesses to this with evidence to back up the claim to differentiate it from mere imaginings of simple minds that had no clue as to the physics of the world. This just rephrases the purpose of the sacrifice and not the reason for why the sacrifice of blood is able to rectify the sin of Adam. How does a death on Jesus part cause this to be forgiven? In other words what is it about the blood that makes it perform this action?As to your agreement that there are now 3 then how exactly is this a monotheistic religion? I do not think this is at all the case but simply the imagined purpose put in place by superstitious people without a good understanding of the world around them. Since freewill itself has been brought into question through experiments in recent times I think the matter of freewill is completely open to debate and not at all settled. Well since the most likely scenario that I can see based on how I have seen people through the years is that the Christian faith is a politically originated myth blown out of proportion and simply the most popular of 3 so called monotheistic faiths.There is nothing that I can see to warrant any veracity to the claims about jesus or God or much of the biblical writings short of those that make sense as a matter of helping to meld a society into a cohesive unit. There are many cultures and different faiths that also do the same yet differ drastically in the parameters they set to their deities.

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"Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere."Albert Einstein

Hi sidelined, Why would I do that?You quoted me where I said I Are One.But it really would not hurt to clean your glasses I also said I agree. No I just take God's Word for it. I really did not mention the blood although it was necessary for it to be shed.The most important part of the entire cross scene was the three hours that God the Father and God the Son was separated when Jesus took my sin upon Himself This was an event that had never happened and never will happen again in all eternity. But separation from God is really hell in itself. Had the blood not been shed He would not have died then He would not have been buried, then there would be no resurrection.Thus I would not have victory over death, hell and the grave.
Now as far as how that would satisfy God I have to take Gods word for it. Well I am made in God's image. And I am one. There will come a time when my physical part dies that the intelligence and the Spirit will be separated from the body and be in different places.God the Father is all intelligence and knowledge. He is not limited as to where He can be.
God the Son, Jesus is God in the flesh. Jesus is limited to being in one place, wherever He is at.
God the Holy Spirit has sealed every spirit that has been born again. He is not limited as to where He can be.
So all three can be doing different jobs in different places and all still be in the same place.I guess that muddied that up. I did not say that was the only function. I said this is where it comes into play. You can use your freewill to either accept or reject that is entirely up to you.Can freewill be used to make choice concerning other things definitely.I exercised mine this morning and decided I was not going to get up until 9 AM. That is you exercising your freewill to believe what you want to believe. I got no problem with that. In fact I was a part of the 3rd Army infantry division so Americans could have that privilege.Have fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Granny, I don't have a religion, I don't even claim to be a Christian because I am not Christ Like which is what Christian means. They were called Christians at Antioch because they were living a life like Christ. Actually they were called little Christos, and it was not meant to be complimentary.I do claim to be a child of the King. I believe His word is perfect. That does not mean that all the things called Bibles are perfect. But the original message God gave to man was perfect. There are facts as far as God is concerned. I am persuaded to believe that if you believed in God you would not have the problem you have with the lake of fire or hell.It is one thing to say I believe in God. It is another to Believe in God.Have fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi jar, jar you are entitled to your opinion.For your sake I wish you were right.Have fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

No worries. See, I don't worship an Evil God.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Hello ICANT, Erm...I hate to break it to you big fella, but you kind of do. There is no other possible way to describe the beliefs you have outlined. You may ascribe to a personalised version of Christianity, rather than adopt an specific religion "off the peg", so to speak, but your views are most certainly religious. That may be true, or it may not, but what is certain is that you do not know any of this for sure. No indeed, I would be much, much angrier. You see right now, I'm just angry about the idea of Hell. It is a great comfort to know that it is almost certainly not real, but merely an offensive and harmful idea.
Were I to discover that this sick scenario were more than just a twisted fairy tale, well then I really would be angry, because I would be faced with a divine being who had sat idly by whilst some or perhaps all of my lost loved-ones roasted in hellfire. That is simply unforgivable. Why does your god show such little charity? I thought it was one of his cardinal virtues. Agreed, but I would be quite happy to believe in god, given proof that he existed. I never disputed that. My point is that even if I believed in him, I would still be unable to condone his actions, much less love him. Right now, I view your sociopath god as being nothing more than your imaginary friend. Were I to discover that he was real, I would get really pissed off. Of course I wouldn't dare criticise him for fear of a red hot poker up the arse.
So answer the question; I accept God's offer of a pardon, but I still think he's a rotten swine. Do I still get into heaven?

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Mutate and Survive

I'm a bit confused why people persist in asking why a loving God would create hell and in the next breath essentially say they don't believe hell, as presented by some Christians, exists.If we want to know why a loving God would create hell, we first have to figure out whether a God even created the Christian Hell.The scriptures don't support eternal torment.We should at least judge the Christian God by what the Bible does say and not the dogma and tradition that varies from sect to sect.IMO, God didn't create Hell as it is presented by some Christians today. Mankind created Hell just like all the other boogey men created to scare people into line.

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"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz