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tesla Member (Idle past 1908 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
larni, please don't hate me..
i have no hate for you, not even dislike. i brought this here to work out the kinks in my mind concerning the observations. and i worked them out. it took me over 2 years to realize the significance and truth of the law of existence. but now i know it. you no longer have to debate with me concerning it, ill be content. but if your are discontented, then work it out as i did. but you will never take anyone's word for it. i know i wouldn't have. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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Larni Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
I don't hate you tesla.
But I can't go on bashing my noggin.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2421 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
You write:
From chaos there is no possible order? How about the creationists' claim for ordered deposits resulting from the global flood? Many creationists claim that all of the geologic record can be attributed to a global flood? That would seem to contradict your statement.
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tesla Member (Idle past 1908 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
i don't know those claims coyote.
but if they claim that order came from chaos it would be easy to dispute. my debate is with the truth and reality of science and our world only. and the law of existence only proves that intelligent energy existed singularly first and created all that is by faith. when i read the bible, i read the words in red. and under this law the sayings of Jesus become clear. anything that is unclear in the bible under this law could potentially be a misinterpretation, or a basic explanation of a greater event with to many holes to bear relevance for me. i don't dispute God is, because science proves it. i withhold comment of religion for this reason : there was only one Christ. and several churches who claim to be the "proper" way to acknowledge his importance and work, ordained from the energy that is/was existence. the various interpretations show that many are possibly right, and possibly wrong, but under observation, all are right, and all are wrong in a sense, because of the imperfection of the human mind attempting to understand a greater force, of which they are unsure how to grasp due to understanding God as supernatural, and above all understanding. with the law of science, and putting my feet in the shoes of such a creator and attempting to understand motivation of such an energy above almost all understanding, shows that all that is exists only on the faith of the energy that first was. so then does anything that is a part of it need no doubt to continue to exist within it, because doubt to such an energy would be like poison. because without its faith, nothing can be. by exploring the words of Jesus and of the bible i determined that man being created by this energy was loved by this energy as an "arm" or an "eye" is loved by man, because all that is came from it. so when Jesus said : if your eye offends the, cut it out, for it is better to loose an eye, than to loose your "souls" (essence of being, existence) in john 1:1 stating that in the beginning there was God and the Word and they were one shows to me: God the body, and the Word, its consciousness, by this law. i also determined that "satan" is most probably the very doubt of God by the conversation recorded by job, which would makes sense for an energy that created from itself by faith. i also determined that satan was created by the first lie of man to God, and that God knew it was a lie, but loved his creation man.but now doubted man. and wished to fix it so that he would not loose man, but retain the life of man he created in his own image : ie: having both consciousness, and a body. in Jesus , the cross was where the consciousness of God defeated doubt of man, by having a shield against his true nature between him and man. so we in Christ, and Christ in him, God can retain man. blind cannot lead the blind, as it were, and the law of existence opens the door to understanding, by understanding the condition in which the energy exists. since all energy is subject to its condition. now, this is my explanation to you coyote, on my take of religion, by my belief in God, as the law of existence proves to me through true science. that i can find no fault in, and no answer from anyone has been able to show any proof of otherwise, accept by either: admitting they might not exist (silly) or by saying the ordered structure of the universe came from nothing (absurd, because if literally nothing, nothing would be) or by saying that order can be possible on top of absolute disorder without any direction (impossible by all observations). i didn't come here with any argument of the bible, my argument i with the law of existence, and it proves creation, by science and science laws, which are all relative to the energy that it all cam from. it was the author. this is my belief, and i wish for the law of existence to be debated for the truth of it, and for what it has shown, but because it is true science. and all true science matches it. and by understanding it, the false sciences will be revealed, and true science will flourish. instead of being stagnated by silly assumptions like chaos theory for subatomic particles, that by its acceptance, has taught many a scientist to continue random attempts in there science that could be alot easier if they were to search for the missing variables to the behavior. because without the search, without asking the "right" questions..science will not be understood. i expect there be many to disagree with this post, but isn't that why there are debates? but do not debate this with me, but debate the law which is true to science, because once you understand it, everything else becomes more clear. science, religion, and life. Edited by tesla, : spelling Edited by tesla, : sentence structure keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2421 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
You write:
i expect there be many to disagree with this post, but isn't that why there are debates? Disagree with it? How could I tell? I couldn't understand most of it, and what little I could make out seemed to be wrong. You seem to be engaging in some form of disorganized religious mysticism, with scientific terms sprinkled at random, but there does not seem to be any anchor to reality. I will have to call it quits.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3983 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: There are two different kinds of universes: a finite one, and an infinite one. Which one do you inhabit - because nothing said is the same for both universes? All debates become cyclical unless that critical preamble is first declared. If the uni is deemed to have a beginning - then that is an action, namely it is a VERB, which has not just an objective factor, but also a subjective. Without the subjective factor, the issue of chaos existing becomes more complicated than order. I think a thread is required, based on the preamble the uni is FINITE, and thereby science is explained within that criteria only. Why not - we will be in good company: both Einstein and Hawkings subscribe to a finite universe. Plus, it will be a scientific debate in the science sector, and one based on manifest reality - not sci-fi! Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Can't you ever post anything that is not nonsense or false?
The topic is "Creationist model". If you have something that is on topic then post it but stop posting word salad. How can you expect anyone to take anything you say about anything seriously? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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tesla Member (Idle past 1908 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
by the understanding of this law, the universe is as finite, or infinite, as the first energy deigns it to be.
you could argue with science all day long whether its finite or infinite. and never come to any real conclusion, accept the one that you choose to believe. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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tesla Member (Idle past 1908 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
as you wish.
keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3983 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: I don't think so. The term 'first' does not apply, because it inferes a precedent; better, the term 'ONE' be applied. 'First energy' also cannot apply, because it infers the energy was infinite/eternal, negating the descretionary option you have given it. I find that creationism as per genesis, whether one subscribes to it or not, boldly declares its preamble criteria; thus one must judge its subsequent factors in accordance with its declared criteria of a finite universe only; here, infinite derived factors cannot apply nor be introduced. Contrastingly, I see a definitive retreating from the preamble criteria in your response - this makes everything said thereafter very pliable, and never definitive, and subseuently requires no evidencing, allowing even unscientific and non-plausable premises to become validated. The point of it all is, that which is subscribed to an infinite universe, cannot allign with a finite one equally. These are two totally seperate universes! Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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tesla Member (Idle past 1908 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
the truth is, only God knows. and we being men, should acknowledge God as superior, and recognize our ability to be fallible.
there are things that as men we can understand within our abilities, but unless God says the universe is finite, how can you know ? as you believe it to be, then so let that be for you. but ill believe that God knows better than i. and not lay my trust in men. i believe that the word of God is recorded in the bible because of the evidence i have found in it that relates to the law of existence. but i will not trust every word that is recorded in the bible to be infallible, since men wrote the account. but i will trust in God that the main things are the plain things. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3983 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Then try this for size: 'IN THE BEGINNING GOD' [Genesis] My book says God says the universe is finite - it had a beginning. This where science is introduced also.
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tesla Member (Idle past 1908 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
Then try this for size: 'IN THE BEGINNING GOD' [Genesis] it doesnt say God is finite. it says God is. genesis is a basic explanation of an order of how God created. how does that mean finite? keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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tesla Member (Idle past 1908 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
song by tim hardin:
(relative to the law of existence once understood.) way to beleive:tim hardinC G C If I listened long enough to you F G C I'd find a way to believe that it's all true D7 G F C Knowing that you lied straightfaced while I cried Am F G Still I'd look to find a reason to believe F G Am G Someone like you makes it hard to live without somebody else F G Someone like you makes it easy to give Am G and never think of myself C G C If I gave you time to change my mind F G C I'd find a way to leave the past behind D7 G F C Knowing that you lied straightfaced while I cried Am F G Still I'd look to find a reason to believe keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4755 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
Since Tesla hasn't shown he has anything to contribute to any of the science threads and since he wastes posting space I am starting to restrict his acess.
He now loses access to "The Bible: Accuracy and Inerrancy". If someone else will return his access that is up to them. I will not be.
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