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pelican Member (Idle past 5007 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
whar iv yu ecicated flok ar to eidcated too uundastand sum of us
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pelican Member (Idle past 5007 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
whar iv yu ecicated flok ar to eidcated too uundastand sum of us i unerstans yu. its two ard fr um. I will translate for you Heinrik. Many of these posts are condescending and infer inferiority. When in fact, the organised trained mind rarely understands anything outside of it's way of thinking.
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pelican Member (Idle past 5007 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
nator writes: That's crap, I do believe. Here's the example you asked for. Do you require any more proof?
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pelican Member (Idle past 5007 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
No, they imply inferiority. Common mistake. I think you understood perfectly well what I meant so why the need to correct me, if indeed you did? Haven't you something to say about the condescending attitude and the inferrence of inferiority?
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pelican Member (Idle past 5007 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
nator writes: That's crap, I do believe. nator writes: Do not confuse lack of agreement with lack of understanding. Is your first quote lack of agreement or lack of understanding? What is crap apart from your response? If you already believe it's crap why should I spend my time trying to convince you otherwise? You can drag a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Edited by dameeva, : No reason given.
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pelican Member (Idle past 5007 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
Seriously, dameeva. You've over reached here. Did you decipher Heinriks post? You ignored that one. Did my post insult you? Well maybe now you know how others feel with your condescending attitude. Try a bit harder to communicate with those who are not as articulate as you. You might learn something.
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pelican Member (Idle past 5007 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
It's good that you admit you are condescending but maybe you are confusing it with being judgmental, or maybe you are both. I don't care either, I don't have much to do with those of your superior attitude when you don't understand a goddamn thing about the effect you have on others. It's called EMPATHY. Did you study that in your fine education?
If this sounds angry, it is. I don't have much empathy or understanding for you and this is the effect you have on those who don't take kindly to your attitude. What are you people trying to prove??????????????????
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pelican Member (Idle past 5007 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
I normally don't correct people on such matters, where it is not important for the discussion. However, if you are going to complain about implied accusations of ignorance on your part, it is probably best if you don't include stupid mistakes in your complaint. It undermines your argument somewhat. If you doubt that my correction is itself correct, go and look up infer and imply in a dictionary. You didn't answer my question. You obviously did not appreciate me inferring you might be wrong hey? This is exactly how others feel with this condescending superior attitude. It doesn't matter who is right or wrong, people have feelings to be taken into account. I'm sorry I pushed your button. It was not my intention as I believe there isn't that much difference between imply and infer. I did look them both up and my meaning was perfectly clear. There was no need whatsoever for you to show your superiority, even if you were right. There is no need to call my alledged mistake 'STUPID' either. Your reason, I believe, was that you corrected me to stop me looking foolish as I am arguing against ignorance? I am, YOURS and the rest who have no idea how their judgmental attitude hurts, belittles, angers and much more. I am suggesting that this attitude, though innocent, has an effect on others that you may not be aware of. Example: None of you responded to Heinriks' post of one sentence with every word spelled wrong and void of punctuation. He made a very valid point and no-one picked it up. Why was that? There is no action without a reaction. I was innocently doing to you what you innocently do to others. I see my behaviour at antagonizing others and it was truly unintentional. This is how I truly feel. I love your minds. I love the english language. I love communication with others. I love this thread. The only beef I have is the dissconnection the attitude creates between human beings purely because we are different. Not inferior or superior. Just different. We need to embrace this difference and see that we all have something to offer. Those of you very bright people should be leading the way and using your gifts to help others, not hurt them and dismiss them.
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pelican Member (Idle past 5007 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
rahvin writes: When speaking from a position of superior knowledge of science to one whose proficiency in that arena is less than that of a teenage child and who yet purports to be able to refute virtually the entire body of scientific theory, condescension is inevitable. You are confusing lack of education with someone who is as pig-headed as yourself, no offense intended, but I can't think of a better word. My apologies for not being as articulate as you. rahvin, we can only know what we know. If I knew exactly what you knew there would be no need of you and we would have to fight. I am trying to bring to your awareness something that the intelligent mindset cannot comprehend. The mindset blocks certain information that does not fit the criteria. Now we are in the same position as you describe above except, I know something you do not and you are becoming annoyed with me because I disagree with you. You are disagreeing with me too but you won't see the connection because you are right on both counts, right?
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pelican Member (Idle past 5007 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
Sympathy would probably be more accurate. Are you suggesting 'sympathy' instaed of 'empathy?
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pelican Member (Idle past 5007 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
rahvin writes: It's not our fault if you feel inferior when being told you're wrong. When someone says the Earth is 6000 years old and backs it up by saying radiometric dating is wrong without any evidence for that, or uses the word "theory" incorrectly for the fiftieth time in two pages, or otherwise demonstrates that they don;t even have the barest comprehension of the subject matter they are arguing against, the rest of us will correct them. If we sound condescending in doing so, well...this is a debate forum. If being on the losing end of a debate hurts your widdle feelings, feel free to not participate. There is a difference between avoiding attacking an individual and making a person "feel bad." Telling people the Bible is full of inaccuracies and outright mythology offends quite a few people here, and misuse of scientific terms offends others. Whether one party feels bad after the argument is concluded is irrelevant to whether one side is correct or not. Offense is irrelevant. Empathy is irrelevant. Your anger is irrelevant. All that matters is the argument. The best way to combat someone you feel is being condescending or offensive is to prove them wrong. Well seeing as it's all irrelevant to you, it won't matter if I respond in a sarcastic manner. Your judgment (which doesn't matter because you are right) of me feeling inferior is BULLSHIT! You could not be more mistaken. You won't even be able to admit you are wrong if you get caught with your hand in the till. Don't even go there trying to patronise me with 'widdle' feelings. Who the hell do you think you are? If that isn't the epitome of condescending behaviour I don't know what is. If I wasn't here you would be still debating how clever you are and how inferior others are compared to you without opposition. You all jsu nod and agree with each other. That's not a debate. That mass mentality. The person who doesn't understand the meaning of theory may need to be taught differently. This person is clearly having something rammed down their throat that they cannot comprehend and it is judged harshly. Why keep using the same method for everyone when we are all different? If we all had the same academic intelligence, who would want to do the menial work? None of this occurs to your closed mind. I am not speaking om my own behalf. I don't need your opinion to identify myself. But others do. Others rely on you to understnd them and they trust you because you are educated. Most of these posts don't give a shit about others and prefer to be amongst their own kind. You don't know what you are missing.
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pelican Member (Idle past 5007 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
nator writes: What does that have to do with this thread, and the fact that it appears, as it does, on a science-based debate board? Jesus, I'm wrong again, I thought it was the 'coffee house.'
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pelican Member (Idle past 5007 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
Honesty is the best policy and I admit that I leave myself wide open on purpose. I want to observe the reactions. I'm having a truly good time and thanks for your concern towards my feelings.
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pelican Member (Idle past 5007 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
It amazes me how you can quote something as true because someone important said it. E.G
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. --Eleanor Roosevelt I doubt Eleanor Roosevelt ever experienced feeling inferior and yet it is taken as true.Have you heard of brainwashing, influence, manipulation? Believe me these all happen without consent. This is the wrong place to look for sympathy, empathy, or understanding. It is a debate board. It's all about the battle. And who do you suppose is going to battle for those who cannot respond in enough of an academic way that you can understand, if not me?
So it is best to keep your Achilles heel guarded and find your opponent's instead. You think I haven't?
As Zawi pointed out in Message 3: Someone who is wrong about an issue can increase their persuasiveness if their writing skills are superior to that of their opponent's, giving them an unfair advantage in debate,... Exactly!!! This thread proves this point. Those who are wrong believe they are right because they imagine they are superior in more than their writing and debating skills.
So if one is up against a good writer, they need to respond accordingly and not stoop to the personal. Don't you mean if one IS a good writer, they need to respond accordingly and not stoop to the personal? Some comments made of those not as literate have been down right personal and they cannot respond accordingly, as many of these posts have pointed out.
If one is up against someone who stoops to the personal, one needs to maintain their distance. Haven't you noticed? They do maintain their distance. There is only me who is a glutton for punishment and I do get pummled and one day the 'pummelers' will see themselves and stop it.
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pelican Member (Idle past 5007 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
molbiogirl writes: Awfully hard to avoid when debating a creo. Abysmal ignorance of even basic biology (Juggs recently insisted that building a single protein requires all 20 amino acids!) is a goldmine to the sarcastic among us. What on earth are you talking about? I am trained in biochemistry and perfectly capable of informed political discussion. I am trained in video production and perfectly capable of discussing the finer points of sculpture. What if you educated folk are too educated to understand some of us?
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