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Author Topic:   fulfilled prophecy - specific examples.
PaulK
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Message 259 of 262 (450176)
01-21-2008 7:42 AM
Reply to: Message 258 by jaywill
01-21-2008 7:10 AM


Re: Casting your vote with the unbelievers
Jay you've managed to miss a possibility. I can point out that we are not arguing over whether Jesus existed. We are arguing over whether we have a good account of his life and deeds. None of the non-Christian references you list are either truly contemporary or offer any real details of what Jesus did and said.
There is no need to go into the other problems of the list. (Which I recognise as the standard apologetic list of sources.)
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Anyway, the New Testament contains all the witness I need to decide what I should believe about Jesus.
And your use of the list of sources shows how worthless that is.
Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.

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PaulK
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Message 262 of 262 (450482)
01-22-2008 7:43 AM
Reply to: Message 261 by jaywill
01-22-2008 7:16 AM


Re: Casting your vote with the unbelievers
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As I wrote, basically PaulK's response is some variation of #2 and #3.
No, it isn't.
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2.) Possibly he will stress that none of them believe things identical to the disciples of Jesus therefore they are not proofs of the claims of Jesus.
I said nothing about the writer's beliefs at all. Nor did I insist on exact identity of beleif. What I did point out is that none of the non-Christian documents referenced actually offers much of an account of Jesus' words and deeds that would allow us to judge the accuracy of the Gospels!
So I did not use 2) at all.
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3.) Possibly he'll object that no one was there in "real time" writing down at the very moment what Jesus was saying. Therefore bad memories have erased all the true things said by Jesus forever.
I made no requirement to be written down at the very moment Jesus was speaking. The original comment referred to "true contemporary" accounts and I have not gone beyond that. Jay clearly intended to assert that I would tighten the requirements to unreasonably exclude documents - and that did not happen at all (indeed any reasonable person would see that it is just another of Jay's smears).

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