Religion v Spirituality

I think you are right and I think Granny is bang on with her assessment, too. I think that when people stop beleiving in organised religion they can start to believe in anything at all and this gets labled as 'spirituality'.It seems that some people really need the supernatural in their life in some form or another.

The closest I have ever come to a 'spiritual' was when I dabbled in the dark world of magic mushrooms. I fel hyperconnected to everything and at times was crying with joy (another time I was afraid I would lose my identity so it's not all shits and giggles).Either way, I had a sense of something 'other'. But that don't mean it is true.

Which fundemental truth do you mean?

Dosen't sound very fundamental, I know exactly who I am. I assume you know who you are.What's that got to do with spirituality?If you mean to say that we are something other than that which we are then you are on shaky ground, my friend.

The thing is Heinrik, you no reason to believe this is true. Many people are always striving to improve themselves without buying into your 'much more than we think we are'.How do you know we are 'more than we are' and what does this have to do with the hazy dazy term 'spiritual'?

Then for what reason do you believe this to be true if you do not have enough evidence to 'prove' it? Now you are moving the goal post and redefining your terms. And anyway, what the hell does 'truly knowing yourself and being true to your self' mean?Can you only partially know your self?Can you be untrue to yourself?You bandy about terms and define them as spiritual but in fact appear to mean 'being conscistant with ones nature'.Your Mandella quote is well observed; but it has bugger all to do with spirituallity.

I would like it to be the sound of the Big Brother contestant becoming spiritual with a big crunch.

Says you: provide evidence for your assertion. Without us there is no vaguely defined mumbo jumbo some flakes call spirituality.You appear to have no real reason to believe there is a 'spiritual' existence.Care to provide one?

Cut the martyr talk and respond to post 67.Or don't.

All you are saying here is that people share humanity. what has that go to so with 'spirituallywhichyoustillhavenotdefined'?

That made me smile.

This is about as usefull a statement to a discussion as saying: "without us there would be no one around to understand the concepts we are discussing".It is an empty statement. But hold on, here comes another. This is a discussion board, my friend. You cannot come here, assert what you reckon is true without even defining your terms.You have been asked several times to define 'spiritual' and you have not done so.Untill you can you will be open to accusations of woo woo, magic and believing in what amounts to an overvalue idea.

Yeah, that about somes it up ans this thread has no where to disabuse me of it.

Ya. His definition of spiritual is obviously wrong. What does spiritual mean to you?Does it mean: Which I would interpret as self awareness; or does it mean: My boldWhich is most definitly woo woo.

Bump.