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Author Topic:   The Tower of Babel -- NOT about Language
jaywill
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Message 11 of 12 (451090)
01-26-2008 4:58 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by iceage
10-12-2007 8:00 PM


Re: Towering Problems
1) God evidently does not exhaustively know the future (omnipotent). In the story God is found to be surprised during an inspection to earth of the industrialness and achievements of his subjects. Interesting, considering that these subjects are beings of his own creation that were created in his own image.
It is not typical that any one passage of the Bible would have in it all that we can know about God. Whereas in the particular passage under discussion we see God reacting as if something unexpected has happened other passages highlight the omniscience of God.
If we're dealing with a Being of infinite power and personality how could just one biblical passage completely discribe His abilitites?
But strictly speaking, what I see in the passage is simply God reacting. It really doesn't say that He didn't know that the race of men would attempt to do such a thing. The record of His reaction could be written for our benefit in studying God's attitude rather than an indication that God didn't know something was going to happen.
2) The story reveals a primitive notion of cosmology. We read the story today and we immediately start looking for metaphors since it is obvious to us that you cannot build a tower to heaven. Reading the story several thousand years ago and the reader might the accept the story as plausible.
It is also obvious that if there were no air there would be no atmosphere to carry the sound of a "Big Bang" as is commonly spoken today. Who could hear a "Big Bang" if there was no way for sound waves to carry the noise?
So our modern talk of "The Big Bang" is also kind of pre-scientific in discription. The expression is scientifically imprecise according to modern standards.
The same is true as with building a tower to reach the heavens as is with the expression that the universe began with a Big Bang.
3) God apparently is threatened by man's capabilities - this is again a smallish view of God that was prevalent at the time. I know some try to twist the words to convey that God was upset because of man's arrogance but that is not what the story literally says and such inspired readings are extrapolations.
The problem I have with this is that quite a lot written in the same book of Genesis portrays no smallness on God's part.
I think what I derive from the story is that what man is about to do is also of no good use to himself let alone a challenge to God's ultimate authority. Nothing will be impossible for them, God says. But what will they attempt to do?
Well, look at the immediate past history of what they did. That may be an indication of what is to come. The earth was totally filled with violence to the point that God had to bring in a universal judging flood. Their imaginations and thoughts were filled only with evil -" ... every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually" (Gen.6:5)
Was this a an indication of the habitual downward trend of society apart from God? Again it says before the flood "And the earth was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. ... for all flesh had corrupted its way upon the earth" (6:12)
The created race had corrupted itself. It is significant then that after the tower of Babel incident God starts with the called race - the Abrahamic race to accomplish His plans. Through the abrahamic race, the called race, the rest of the created race will be blessed.
4) Contradicts the latter scripture "God is not the author of confusion". Here God is portrayed as the direct divine inventor of languages that create confusion and disharmony between all members of humanity.
I think things have to be considered in context. If I am on my way to your house with a evil plan to murder you, plunder your house, abuse your spouse, and harm your children and God comes in to thwart mty plans He HAS indeed authored "confusion" to my evil plans.
Before my evil scheme was very clear. Perhaps God does something to make my conscience reconsider. I am now confused and hesitate. Suppose He causes a police car to cruise in front of your house just before I cross the street to break down the door? To some extent God would have then thrown my plot into confusion. God would be the author of confusion.
So I think context has to be considered. No doubt, the changing of the languages, however this happened, caused confusion. The flood of Noah caused confusion also to the people whose imaginations were only continually set on violence to others just before the flood.
Now here's a thought. Maybe had the tower been built and the unity maintained something far worse could have insued among the human race?
Consider some of the human sacrifices performed on sacred mounds and temples around the world. Hearts cut out of humans and offered to fertility gods, children burned in the arms of a molten hot statue of a god, fingers of women chopped off to appease the forces of nature.
I think God knew what He was doing and prevented something terribly worse from occuring. It was more than a matter of everyone understanding each other and constructing a high edifice.
5) God is referred to as plural. Perhaps revealing the original source of the story?
That must allude to the Triune God further developed in Scripture. For example in the New Testament:
"Jesus answered and said to him, If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him" (John 14:23)
What does this have to do with "Let Us" in Genesis? Well the plan of God to dispense Himself into man as man's life took centries to reveal because it is so profound. God in His triune nature wants to come into man's being to make a living abode within him. So the same God who said "Let Us" in the Old Testament also says [b]"and We [Father and Son] will come to him and make an abode with him."
We do not see much of the revelation of indwelling in the Genesis account of the Tower of Babel. But we do see the same Triune God in His three-oneness displeased that what man IS about to do is far off from the eternal purpose of God.
Latter the divine "Us" Who disrrupted progress at Babel, comes in the incarnation, life, death, resurrection, and indwelling of Christ to be the divine "We" Who makes His living abode with the believers in Christ.
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